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<0> Python makes a good example of that.
<1> bullrage: you'd have a Poll.
<2> ok
<2> kuja: then why have it
<3> kuja, i say visibility matters, but that's just my opinion
<0> schmalls: To satisfy the people who bitch why it's not like Java or C++
<1> visibility doesn't matter to start with.
<4> kuja: lol
<2> Xyphoid: right, but when you start dealing with inheritance it may be needed
<5> I'd have a poll Xyphoid?
<1> inheritance doesn't matter to start with either
<3> Jymmm, i just said that VB is a pure OO language
<0> I tell you, Ruby supports visibility (all 3 P's), but I've never had a need for it.
<0> Python doesn't support visibility, and nobody has a problem with that.
<3> nobody use python anyway
<6> Google uses Python
<2> kuja: thats because they use php
<1> inheritance is the worst thing that ever happened to OO because it's taught early on
<0> vinadelmar: Everyone uses Python, and you're Nobody.
<0> :)
<5> basically OOP is putting functions into one object and using them to maintain tidyness and efficiency in the code?
<1> and you should use object composition instead of inheritance in 95% of object relations
<0> bullrage: OOP is about organization.
<0> bullrage: Objects are organized.
<0> The more you're capable of separating objects, the more you are able to distinguish the purpose of an object.
<1> in a polling system you'd have a cl*** Poll. Methods relating to a single poll would be on the poll. Then you might have Questions, which a Poll has several of.
<3> does women inherit from men or are they distinct cl*** ?
<2> vinadelmar: both inherit from human
<3> except kuja
<1> no, you should just have a property '***' on your human cl***
<7> $pattern = '/<img\s+.*?src="img\/([^"]*).gif"\s+.*?alt="[^"]*"(?:\s+.*|\s*)>/'; is not actually closing the img tag
<7> How do I make it close the tag?
<0> cl*** Women implements ConstantlyNaggingPerson
<2> Xyphoid: but changing *** would change more than a property
<3> Xyphoid, the methods are completly different :)
<0> s/Women/Woman/
<1> you would almost never inherit man from human unless you're building cl***es that have different behaviour depending on gender
<3> like bitching()
<2> Xyphoid: exactly women act differently than men
<5> ok so Xyphoid: I'd need a Poll cl***, and in that i'd have the methods like change_questions, remove_questions, put_answer etc etc something like that?
<5> as an exanokw
<5> example*
<5> think i'm understanding :)
<3> could you just wait ? we're redesigning humanity
<8> guys, you know when i do $sql = "SELECT count(*) as nbRouting FROM `p1_routing`"; $result = mysql_query($sql);
<1> I'd have Poll and Question, and methods to add and find Question instances on your Poll
<8> how can i access nbRouting ?
<5> heh vinadelmar
<3> :)
<0> vinadelmar: With PHP? I'd rather not live anymore.
<1> Poll has-a collection of Questions
<0> Poll has-many Questions
<2> hacked``: http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-fetch-field.php
<1> composition. much more useful than inheritance
<2> hacked``: sorry wrong link just a second
<2> hacked``: http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-result.php
<4> no
<4> hacked``: You want to use mysql_fetch_***oc
<2> Stormchaser: he just wants the one result though
<9> is "globa &$var" valid to p*** by reference?
<9> (probably really bad code)
<10> Mmm I just took a mess of a few hundred lines of outsourced to india code and reduced it to half the length and made it sooo much easier to read
<10> Although my boss doesn't care about that stuff he just wants the website to look purdy :-/
<4> schmalls: oh, okay
<11> Zakabog: i did that with one of my scripts.... it was 300 lines long, i made it 1....
<3> Zakabog, what ?
<12> php: error while loading shared libraries: libldap-2.3.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
<12> why show me that?
<10> vinadelmar my boss had the coding on his website outsourced to india
<5> Bye all, thanks for explaining OOP in basic to me, time to play Hitman
<13> hi
<14> purdy
<10> They made a ton of hard to read code in such a mess
<10> I reduced it by half and made it much much easier to read
<3> wooww, that's frightening
<10> itrebal what did your script do?
<13> Zakabog: welcome to programming with *
<3> that's not a myth then ? they take our job ? :'(
<11> Zakabog: i just took out newlines :)
<10> lol
<10> vinadelmar, I took their job actually
<15> hey, can someone help me out with making a login script for my site?
<3> i should learn chinese
<10> They did such a bad job on the website, they'd just get an ***ignment and make that code work, they don't care if the code is repeated, broken, ugly, whatever
<10> Well if it's broken they care, they only get paid if it works although it can still work pretty badly hehe
<3> i see
<3> they don't design, they copy/paste stuff
<2> vinadelmar: I'm sure there are at least a few good programmers
<3> sure, india has some good computer sciences schools.
<16> Zakabog: Sounds like some www.thedailywtf.com material
<10> hehe
<17> what is the easiest way to p*** variables via the URL to php?
<10> All the var names are like random keys they hit
<10> asd dsa hjk
<16> hays: www.example.com/page.php?some_var=some_value, then $_GET['some_var'] contains "some_value"
<16> is that what you mean?
<18> hey, how would i make a CLI script (made in php of course) accept input from a webscript (too in PHP) while outputting contents the CLI script receives into a log file?
<15> hey, can someone help me out with making a login script for my site?
<10> I just spent 20 minutes trying to figure out why such a simple statement wasn't working
<10> Err
<3> bubblenut, did you just read the entry on the wtf site ???
<4> page12 \o/ http://storm.homeunix.org/misc/bts/page12.jpg
<16> Fushuing: Can the web script not just write straight to the log file, why do you need a seperate CLI script to handle that?
<16> vinadelmar: Which one, I read it every day?
<3> the first entry
<19> Can I get some recommendations on a lightweight library for rapid php development?
<17> bubblenut: thanks... can I concatenate strings with + ? $url = "http://"; + $user + ".foo.com/halala"
<4> no... use .
<18> bubblenut: the PHP script needs to be accessed from the web
<18> but the CLI script is for example, connected to an FTP and needs to be remained connected
<20> or if your uber cool you can use telnet
<1> kev: for developing what? php itself lets you do pretty rapid development
<17> Storm.. cool, thanks
<19> Xyphoid: CRUD, authentication, database work etc.
<18> so, any ways of going to be able to achieve this?
<16> Fushuing: The CLI script needs to be running constantly, like a server? And then you need to be able to p*** data into this process while it's running?
<16> Fushuing: What exactly is happening? The CLI script gets started up, connects to an FTP server and then waits for some input somehow which the web script provides which the CLI script then writes to log file on the FTP server. Is that about right?
<18> yep
<16> Fushuing: Can you use a database?
<18> that pretty much sums it up :)
<18> uuuh, yeh
<18> mysql, flatfile, anything :)
<4> Fushuing: Well... Theoretically writing in C++ isn't "scripting" anymore
<4> Well... Unless you're using QSA or something
<18> i still know applications that use C++ as a scripting language...
<18> anyhow, back to the issue
<16> Cool, then the web script dumps the data into a database table (easyer to manage concurrent writes than a flat file). This is effectively your queue. The CLI script then periodically reads the table to see if there is anything in the queue to be processed, if there is, it does and then deletes it from the table (or marks it as processed or whatever). Get it?
<12> is necessary libldap to run php4.4.2 ?
<4> no
<12> why he tell me thsi:
<12> php: error while loading shared libraries: libldap-2.3.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
<12> ?
<18> yes....
<18> but it is highly inefficient, as the database grows larger :S
<18> REALLY fast
<16> OK, then delete once processed rather than mark as processed.
<12> Stormchaser, any idea?
<18> still remains inefficient for tasks that need to be done immediatly ;/
<4> iri: one of the libraries, that is used to compile PHP is leaning on libldap
<16> That depends on how much wait you put between checks on the DB
<12> libldap is inside openldap?
<16> The only other option I can think of is listening on a port but I'm not sure how this would fare under high/concurrent load
<4> iri: could be. Ask your package management
<12> ok
<21> -join #php-es
<16> Also, it would be quite a bit more fiddly to debug and I'm guessing more error prone. I've never done socket listening in PHP before, I wouldn't say it's the best tool for the job.
<16> ... but I don't speak spanish
<4> bubblenut: it isn't... There are languages, that do that in much simpler way. Like Pyuthon or Ruby
<4> *PYthon
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