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<0> Kog: "stable" meaning "unchanging; constant"
<1> Kog: no, RoR
<2> caffinated: I've written in RoR too
<2> caffinated: until I found out their XMLRPC libs blow
<2> TML: by stable, I choose to interpret Debian's stance as "out of date"
<2> TML: Deprecated comes to mind too
<3> JEEZZ :s => I'm running phpdocumentor using zend on our code... the php.exe process is taking 1GB of RAM atm :s (lucky I have 2GB)
<4> Kog you still use RoR?
<1> Kog: I've never had an issue with it.
<2> py: sometimes
<2> caffinated: you ever tried using XMLRPC via RoR?
<1> Kog: and we do a lot with web services here.
<1> Kog: yes.
<3> Kob: also so true, I hate debian slow rate of 'releases' ('ror' :p)
<2> caffinated: using RoR XMLRPC apps, or just any other XMLRPC
<2> caffinated: because I've got some XMLRPC stuff that works on all kinds of other libs that busts RoR
<1> Kog: using our own in-house applications
<2> SinnerG: so, let me ask... how the hell do you manage to mispell my nick... it's 3 characters and B and G look nothing alike...
<1> Kog: generally speaking, we do not expose our APIs to the world ;)
<5> heh
<2> caffinated: what's consuming the RPC
<1> Kog: other servers. we have a large network.
<3> Kog: Easy, be tired ! :p
<5> Kog: What did you use java for?
<2> caffinated: damnit dude. Which lib kit... is it RoR <-> RoR? that seems to work just fine
<2> HolyGoat: I'm building some stuff w/ Amazon's SOAP stuff right now
<1> Kog: not really, the daemon is not RoR
<1> the caller is though
<2> HolyGoat: but I do portable clients, mostly J2SE stuff... I DO enterprise work, I just try and avoid it
<5> Kog: Ah, ok.
<2> caffinated: weird. the SF.NET xmlrpc lib in wordpress et al consumes our RPC just fine, but RoR doesn't
<5> Like, standalone swing based clients or something?
<2> HolyGoat: right now it's a Swing app that munches data and SOAP/SFTP/FTPs
<1> Kog: no idea then, perhaps there is some specific facit of the protocol interpretation which you use and we do not.
<5> ok
<2> caffinated: well, the daemon is an IRC services set I'm a dev on so the quality of the XMLRPC is suspect since I know the guy that wrote it
<3> phpdocumentor => atm taking a full gig of ram jeez..
<2> caffinated: but you'd think it'd break the SF.NET xmlrpc lib
<5> caffinated: Do you guys do high traffic stuff?
<3> this is not something I'm gonna do each day ;p
<1> HolyGoat: yes.
<0> Kog: As a System Admin and a former ISV, Debian's definition of "stable" is my preferred definition.
<5> caffinated: Would it be hard to describe your architecture in a few lines?
<0> Kog: If the software changes more than once a year, I have a problem.
<1> HolyGoat: well .. I couldn't really say much without getting fired
<2> TML: as a developer and the guy that has to build all the **** that makes business work... I call it deprecated, useless and out-of-date
<5> caffinated: Ah, that top secret?
<6> What are we whining about now?
<2> TML: but also as a SysAdmin, I redouble my opinion
<6> I was doing something more important than argueing why I'm better than you
<1> HolyGoat: it's generally considered information which shouldn't be made available to the public
<6> but now I'm back and i have some time
<1> HolyGoat: not my choice, but that is the way it is
<0> Kog: I'm a developer and a guy that builds stuff that makes businesses work, and I call it stable, beautiful, useful, and the reason most SysAdmins choose Debian.
<6> hahah
<7> EvanCarroll: Don't... Just.. don't...
<2> TML: most sysadmins use debian because of apt-get
<5> caffinated: Aha. I'm not even sure what our policy is around that. Our setup is fairly simple.
<6> Stormchaser: =/
<0> Kog: No, they use Debian because of what's in (and NOT in) apt-get
<0> STABLE software.
<7> APT \o/
<2> TML: and what's unstable about running php 5?
<8> ok i have a problem: ok so i have this file uploading thing, and it works for text and pictures, but the bigger the file, the less it works. for an mp3, the 'temp_name' field is empty as well as the 'type' field. for video files, it doesn't show anything.
<3> TML: You know why my admin takes it? cause he is LAZY!! :p
<1> HolyGoat: all i can really say is that what you see in front is not even close to what is in the back. everything goes through load balancers and hides stuff.
<3> he admitted it .. :p
<0> Kog: The fact that it's less than three years old.
<7> Kog: time.
<2> SinnerG: well, that's the real reason admins use it... perhaps not TML
<2> TML: yeah, but in the meantime I need pieces of it
<5> caffinated: Yeah same here, we have 4 servers behind a load balancer serving mostly static pages.
<2> TML: but then... I don't run Debian on production servers
<7> Kog: nobody is stopping you to install it
<2> and I'm also smart enough to be able to build **** from souce
<0> Kog: I don't buy that. Anything you do in PHP5 can be done in PHP4 with a little bit of work.
<3> Question: should I kill my phpdocumentor process? Its taking 1GB 250MB or ram atm :s
<1> HolyGoat: we have closer to .. 60 i think. I'm not really sure what the exact number is
<3> *of
<2> TML: man-time is more important than waiting 3 years
<5> caffinated: 60 servers for the live site?
<1> HolyGoat: mostly
<5> caffinated: Wow, that's a lot
<2> TML: smaller companies can't necessarily spend forever waiting
<0> Kog: More man-time is spent upgrading your apps to the latest version of PHP than is spent providing PHP4 compat layers
<1> some are not directly in use for live stuff. some of it is internal stuff.
<2> TML: not really heh
<2> it was actually quite easy
<9> Can anyone help with PHP installed on Mac OS X 10.4.6?
<2> TML: but eventually I'm going to have to upgrade everything to php5, not just the box I maintain... and because other people aren't as good about such things I WILL spend the time
<5> caffinated: I don't know how many of our servers are exposed to "the internet", but we use 4 for our portal directly.
<0> Kog: I wrote a PHP5 compat layer by myself in about 2 days, while they're still at least 6 months out from the PHP5 rewrite of the app, after over 12 man-years of development.
<2> TML: your needs are obviously different from mine
<2> TML: I thought I'd established that, but in case I didn't - my bad
<1> HolyGoat: heh, i don't really worry myself about it. most of it is transparent to me, unless I'm connecting directly to a database server to do something.
<2> TML: and while you may run debian with wisdom - most admins run it because apt-get is "easy"
<2> TML: just like anyone using an RPM or any other package manager
<2> (YUM? RedCarpet? whatever)
<9> Can anyone help with PHP installed on Mac OS X 10.4.6?
<5> caffinated: We don't have database servers in our live production environment, unfortunately.
<2> VMitchell85: ask your question
<9> thanks
<1> HolyGoat: really? how do you deal with storing data?
<9> When I run a php document (I am a newbie by the way) firefox asks me to download the file instead of running it.... the httpd.conf file looks perfectly fine, it should be running
<5> caffinated: Writing stuff to the application servers (flat files), and pulling that data from servers behind the live network. Store it in a database there, processing it, and pushing it back as static content.
<10> Why I try to put php_value include_path "." in my .htaccess my whole site gives me error 500, is there anyway to make this work?
<1> HolyGoat: ah ok. so it is there, but it's hidden by a caching layer
<10> when.
<2> VMitchell85: and you restarted your apached before loading the page?
<5> caffinated: Basically. We have to do a lot of file locking and such, heh.
<8> can anyone see my text?
<5> caffinated: There are about 50 cron jobs that pull and push data from the servers in the internal network to the production servers.
<7> no
<7> Dereck: no.
<1> HolyGoat: we do some similar things with memcached
<9> Kog: yeah, in my System Preferences I shut down "Personal Web Sharing" and restarted it as well as restarting my machine...
<8> k. thought so. i just didn't know if this was a voiced channel
<1> HolyGoat: there are a couple of servers just dedicated to ramcaching of specific data
<10> VMitchell85, make sure you have AddType application/x-httpd-php .php in your httpd.conf and restart your server
<2> VMitchell85: then it sounds to me like you forgot a couple handlers/types
<0> Kog: Yes. Was there something in there you felt I should have responded to?
<2> VMitchell85: like what Triton said
<5> caffinated: We are going to get a live database server, which will make many things a lot less painful.
<2> TML: no... just hoping I didn't piss you off with my difference of opinion
<9> Triton: There is that line in a if statement in the httpd.conf file
<7> Dereck: should it be? how many 'voiced' people do you see?
<0> Not at all
<1> HolyGoat: i can imagine. caching is one of those things which you should use when you need it, not for everything.
<10> VMitchell, just put it at the bottom of the file
<0> Kog: Your insistence that "admins use apt-get because it's easy" doesn't, to me, explain Debian uptake, given yum, emerge, apt-rpm, etc.
<9> Kog: The httpd.conf file is already on the Mac, I just had to remove some # signs
<0> apt-get's "net update" is far from unique
<2> TML: I gotta check every once in a while... I have a unique super-power to do so ;)
<0> What's unique about debian is the static state of packages
<5> caffinated: Right now we generate everything statically, if we don't we just get too much load peeks.
<9> Triton: Sounds like a great idea... i'll try it
<0> HolyGoat: peaks
<2> TML: people rarely choose a distro on a unique trait basis
<10> I dont know how I thunk of it
<0> HolyGoat: load doesn't peek very often. :)
<5> TML: Ah yes, thank you. Hehe.
<9> Triton: Get back to ya soon...
<0> Kog: I fundamentally disagree with you there. I think that's the ONLY reason people choose a distro.
<1> HolyGoat: heh, i can understand that. it's a bit of a juggling act here too. however, some aspects of the corporation are higher load than others. I get away with a lot more when it's software for internal use only.
<5> (no really, the load peeks from behind my monitor, "Hi, I'm load")
<0> heh
<2> TML: should? or do?
<0> Kog: *do*
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