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<0> but this one is just...UGH
<1> Fushuing: the problem with php (and the anti-php sentiment) is that the more you compare it to the multitude of other languages out there, the more you start to realize php is the hard way to do it.
<2> \zxc: Well, I can usually do what I want. But how do I check the header of a remote site?
<3> riqn: I could get a stable PHP job, but I don't want to... 1) I gained a grudge for programming, 2) read 1)
<0> caffinated: we like to do it the hard way because we are hardcore :)
<4> riqn: you could join the thousands, and create a hosting company
<4> Stormchaser: what do you do?
<1> Fushuing: that is a rather silly statement
<5> njdavid: curl should be able to do that.
<3> itrebal: Code PHP.
<2> Ah, right. Curl.
<4> Stormchaser: ah, freelance?
<2> But, there is no native PHP function?
<0> caffinated: what language do you recommend for programming web applications?
<6> njdavid: php.net/curl
<3> itrebal: contract. Author contract.
<0> dynamic content of course >.>
<7> Stormchaser, you gained a grudge for programming ? what do you mean ?
<6> Fushuing: Personally, I've grown quite fond of CherryPy
<7> itrebal, actually i already have a hosting company lol
<4> Stormchaser: gotchya, i'd like to work on my project, but i don't think my stability is the best for it
<5> njdavid: I don't believe so, join #paste
<0> and explain to me why PHP is easier to me than C++
<4> riqn: i dont, but i host all my stuff and i "take donations" lol
<6> Fushuing: Because it's less strict.
<3> riqn: you could translate that into "it ****s", if you want it more understandable.
<6> Fushuing: But you're confusing "easier to write" with "better"
<7> Stormchaser, all programing or just php ?
<4> riqn: he prefers Python
<3> riqn: programming in general.
<7> ah
<0> >.>
<1> Fushuing: I wasn't offering that statement as an opening to suggest my preference.
<0> i don't like python
<0> i hate the indenting
<3> lol
<0> nooooo!
<1> Fushuing: if that's all you can say about python, you need to get educated.
<7> never did anything in phython
<7> python*
<0> caffinated: just saying my experience :)
<1> your experience must be quite limited then
<0> had big problems with the indenting
<0> i used python for 6 months :S
<0> and i've delearned it by now :/
<1> anyone who uses python indenting as their chief praise/complaint hasn't looked hard enough.
<7> do you think php will ever get as popular as asp.net in the business world ?
<4> riqn: i dont see ASP being as popular
<1> ASP isn't a langauge, so no comparison can be made
<5> Something will take over from PHP/ASP pretty soon anyway.
<3> \zxc: Ruby.
<5> Yep.
<7> itrebal, asp.net is the prefered choose for big companys ..
<5> I've heard that a few times, although I haven't had time to look at the language yet.
<4> IMO i think that C++ will take it over
<8> Davey: ping
<4> riqn: i dont see that very often
<7> caffinated, no i know that .. meh you know what i mean
<4> hey CPUnerd, long time no see
<8> hey what's up dude ? :)
<3> itrebal: Well... C++ is very very VERY old...
<8> C++ is very very cool, but for other purposes.
<4> Stormchaser: it was a comment made in jest
<8> or if you are hired by a huge company that pays a lot ;)
<3> itrebal: Ah.
<0> what's ASP?
<0> some microsoft product?
<8> Fushuing: nothing really important.
<5> Active Server Page?
<8> yep
<4> Active Server Page, MS's sort of PHP
<0> IT'S USELESS!
<9> Well, ASP is a framework. PHP is a language.
<7> mattmcc, no
<0> what company in his right mind runs a WINDOWS SERVER with IIS?
<7> asp is not a frame work
<10> all ASP is is a server side cover for JS and VB...
<7> asp.net is
<5> The .NET is the framework.
<11> best template cl*** in your opinions? i think i'll focus on integrated template but some say phplib is better?
<8> mattmcc: no
<10> blarg.
<9> riqn: Erm. And the distinction between ASP and ASP.NET is?
<0> oh right, nevermind
<10> why the hell do they have to use the same name for two different things
<4> atwhever: open your text editor of choice, and create one
<5> Isn't .NET a newer version?
<5> Like VB and VB.NET?
<7> mattmcc, asp is old asp.net is new and is written in alot of languages ... can both be vb, c++ and c# and serveral other
<9> riqn: People have been writing ASP in Perl long before ASP.NET existed.
<5> Obviously the newer version also uses the .NET framework...
<11> create a template cl***?
<0> why not VB.neweredition
<0> or VB.2006
<5> Because it uses .NET.
<4> atwhever: yes?
<5> .NET was their old buzzword.
<5> Now it's "Live".
<0> ...
<7> mattmcc, huh ? the micrsosft asp is vb code ... are we talking a bout the same thing ?
<11> why if there are already some?
<0> GET INFESTED BY THE .NET!
<9> riqn: We are, you're just wrong. While ASP is most commonly written in VB, it was never bound to the language. It's just a pile of APIs.
<9> riqn: http://www.apache-asp.org/ for example.
<7> mattmcc, i have never use it at all my self so i wouldnt know really. Although my point was that asp and asp.net is very different
<9> riqn: They're different, but they're still both frameworks.. :)
<5> Just stick to PHP, and it'll all be, uhm.. clear.
<7> mmmk
<1> \zxc: for varying definitions of 'clear'
<9> Clear as mud? :)
<7> mattmcc, no i understand you, just didnt know normal asp was a framework
<4> yay for crappy waiting-room music :/
<1> Pollita: are you around?
<1> Pollita: I have a streams-related question that I think you might be able to shed light on
<9> It wasn't a pain to migrate from CVS to Perforce, but I'm not sure that I would've preferred Subversion. Perforce is getting in my way too much.
<9> s/not/now/
<1> mattmcc: perhaps you know - any idea why a fopen() on a URL would cause PHP to complain about SSL when the link is not using https ?
<9> I'm afraid I don't.
<1> hm
<9> Does the link happen to redirect to a secure URL? Though I don't think fopen actually follows 30x's.
<1> that's a good question, i will ask
<9> I'd be pretty surprised if it did follow them, actually.
<1> mattmcc: haha, you were actually 100% right. just verified it, it redirects to a SSL link
<1> thanks
<9> Always willing to blindly stumble across a solution.
<1> well, as long as your blind stumbling is not covering the same ground my blind stumbling covers, it's productive
<12> if i want to allow users to edit parameters in a config file for example database fields like user, dbname. Would something like parse_ini_file() work even though its a php file or are their other recommendations?
<9> You may find http://php.net/var_export useful.
<13> Don't forget to p*** TRUE as the second parameter as well. To have it return a string.
<4> :/ i dont see the difference between var_export var_dump and print_r in the sense of debugging, just the output
<9> itrebal: Well, the first exports parsable code.
<4> eh, ok
<9> I wouldn't really consider it useful for debugging.
<4> well, the way i see it, is if your going to be exporting the data into a string, why not serialize it?
<9> Editing serialized strings isn't fun?
<4> i get your point
<13> I use print_r() to look at array outputs (with <pre></pre> wrapped around it).
<13> var_dump() is for most everything else, especially when it could be NULL. print_r() returns a blank string on NULL.
<9> Yeah, it's a cruel trick they play. The output of print_r is indented better, but is less informative.
<13> var_export() is good if you need to dump the contents to a logfile (or do anything but print it to the screen).
<13> Yup.
<9> I've actually found myself using PEAR's Var_Dump instead. More control over how it looks & what it tells you.
<9> Unfortunately, since PEAR folks are allergic to procedural code, I still had to write a wrapper function to make use of it.
<8> back
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