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<0> ...and, once again, why doesn't the documentation say?
<1> ...it does
<0> not on preg_replace
<1> its called the PCRE extension, perl compatible regular expressions
<0> Ah, so it is
<2> scarfboy: http://php.net/manual/en/ref.pcre.php
<3> Preg -> prce [4~(Perl Compatiable Regular Expressions).
<3> Aaarg, lag.
<0> yay for documentation which leaves a lot of things implicit
<0> heh
<4> scarfboy: CXIII. Regular Expression Functions (Perl-Compatible)
<0> yes yes yes
<4> scarfboy: There's nothing implicit there
<0> There is if you're looking at the specs for the function
<0> It's understandable of course
<0> I may write docs like that myself
<4> Yes, if you skip pages, you'll miss information. That's to be expected.
<0> but it means I have to look at the page, the parent page, some catch-all pages, etc.
<0> not a page
<0> many pages
<0> that's a pain
<5> then rewrite the docs
<0> what's more, you don't know what pages
<4> scarfboy: That's right, you should read the *ENTIRE* manual, not just the page you choose
<0> hahahahahahahah
<0> the entire manual?
<0> Have you?
<0> entire?
<4> scarfboy: Yes. I re-read it every 6 months.
<0> every little but?
<4> front to back, every page.
<0> weirdo.
<0> anyway
<6> tml == weirdo is common knowedge
<6> didn't you know? :D
<0> Not really a regular:)
<4> And yet, I know the language better than most of you...wonder why that could possibly be?
<0> Can't you hang a sign on 'im?:P
<6> i'm sure it's in the manual somewhere
<0> hehe
<7> I honestly haven't read the entire manual, but I know where to look for what I need. For anything I don't know I read every detail.
<4> scarfboy: It's also "discoverable" which pages you need to read. For example, when looking at php.net/preg-match, you'll see it shows you which reference section to read on the upper left.
<7> And yet... I look less stupid than people who don't even know how to navigate the fantastic manual they are given.
<8> Hi. $txt = '"some text with escaped stuff \" like \\ those"' <- How to extract text between unescaped quotation marks ?
<7> People who don't like the PHP manual obviously obviously haven't read manuals for other languages.
<7> s/obviously//
<4> The python docs definitely need some "beginning to end" readability help.
<3> mg_: preg_match_all("\"((?:\\\\\"|\\\\\\\\|[^\"])*)\"");
<9> hi. anyone here use PHPObject, remotin with flash?
<7> Navigational capabilities similar to PHP's would be good for Python's docs as well.
<10> Does anyone write web apps using MVC? I am trying to decide how large of a project I would need to justify the use of MVC over procedural code.
<3> OVERCOMESauceH: Cake!
<10> phpCake?
<10> I have heard of it, but how large of a project would I need to fully benefit from it.
<3> I didn't like it.
<8> FauxFaux, will this work for every number of backslashes?
<3> mg_: Nobody's managed to break Choob's code that uses that regex yet (http://trac.uwcs.co.uk/choob/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/browser/trunk/contrib/Events.java#L17) :)
<8> :]
<11> Greetings. Is there a way to alter the object that is returned from a constructor? Vis, change which object is returned?
<12> Crell42: you can set object properties in the constructor...
<11> Well naturally. I mean return a different object than the new one being created.
<12> "new Foo" will always return an object of type Foo.
<11> But must it always return a brand new object of type Foo, or can it return an already existing Foo?
<12> "new" always returns a new object.
<5> seeing as you're using the 'new' keyword, it will always be 'new'
<12> If you need something else, you want either a function or a factory method. Depending on how you keep track of everything.
<11> Hm. Damn. This won't work, then.
<11> Yeah, that's basically what I'm trying to do; put a factory into the constructor so that I can new Foo(1) 15 times and get the same object back rather than hitting the database 15 times.
<12> factories don't go in constructors.
<11> Typically no, you're right. I was just hoping that I could be clever and not have to go and edit the dozens of "new" statements around the code. :-)
<12> Crell42: look at php.net/oop5, which has a chapter on patterns.
<11> I recall reading it before.
<12> in point of fact, a constructor cannot return anything.
<11> hum. Ah well. Factory it is I guess.
<13> Can someone explain this error I keep getting: "Parse error: parse error, unexpected T_CONSTANT_ENCAPSED_STRING " I am trying to format the body of an email I am trying to send.
<4> skm376: You created a parse error.
<14> Is it a good idea always to check referer with submitted forms?
<5> Stormx2: i don't bother :/
<14> Hmm
<3> Referer is too easy to fake, so no.
<14> Cause I was thinking, say I had a profile form, which uses post
<14> someone could stick a form on their website with some fake values and post it to mine
<5> and they could aslo fake the referrer
<14> Yeah I know referer is easy to fake, but not really when you're tricking someone else into changing values
<14> I'm never gonna get around people just faking referer
<11> Next question, somewhat more reasonable. :-) Given cl*** A{ function foo() {} }, cl*** B extends A{}. if I instantiate $b = new B() and call get_cl***() inside foo(), I get "A". Is there a way to have a function in the parent cl*** "know" that the given object is of a child cl***?
<14> thing I'm worried about is people putting forms on their website and either making someone submit it without them knowing, or making JS submit it. That way, you can't send a fake referer, because its all client (victim) side browser based....
<11> skm376: Make sure you don't have a bareword floating about by accident? (Vis, no $ on a variable or a string constant that doesn't have quotes around it.)
<4> Crell42: cl*** B extends A { function foo() { parent::foo(); }}
<11> TML: I still get A back.
<4> Crell42: Then I guess not.
<11> Drat.
<15> hi everyone
<4> Crell42: It makes sense, because you're in A.
<16> kuja: sorry, i don't whant to disturb but take a look at #kuja
<15> has anyone here modeled a web app in uml before? My specific issue is finding a tool to reverse engineer an app to uml
<15> so PHP > UML
<15> in other words not code generation from UML
<15> but the other way around
<4> I've never seen a UML tool that reverse engineers from PHP code, no.
<15> rats
<17> php > cl*** A { function c(){var_dump(get_cl***($this));}} cl*** B extends A {} $b = new B; $b->c();
<17> string(1) "B"
<4> et: Sure, because that looks at the instance, rather than the scope
<15> TML: i'm going to be handed a bunch of code soon, and that would make my life a lot easier :)
<15> are there any OSS apps that do that for java or c++?
<17> TML: isn't that what Crell42 wanted?
<15> i only know of some high end ones $2,000-$4,000
<4> et: I thought he wanted it by scope, but you might be right.
<11> hm, what?
<11> I have common functionality between a couple of cl***es that vary only by one string, which is the name of the cl***. I was hoping to push the functionality completely into a parent cl***.
<15> whats the point of spending $4,000 on something that is almost what you want ;-)
<4> mick_work: I've never seen an OSS app that reverse engineers UML from existing source, no.
<11> Could be fun to write, though. :-)
<18> TML: it exists
<17> Crell42: have a look at my code...
<4> Crell42: The example et gave shows that if you check the instance, rather than the scope, you get the child cl***.
<4> common: What is it called?
<18> forgot the name, but it exists
<4> I've only seen a handful of OSS UML tools, and none of them did RE as far as I know
<18> hrm maybe it was not oss
<11> Neato torpedo, I can!
<4> common: That's what we're discussing.
<4> common: I know there are commercial ones, sure
<19> I need to do a single sign-on with Active Directory. Can PHP use Active Directory? does it just use standard LDAP?
<4> See ads for them every month in DDJ
<4> hadees: Yes.
<11> OK then... is there a cl*** equivalent of call_user_func()?
<11> Vis, instantiate an object whose cl*** is a p***ed variable?
<5> Crell42: what do you mean by 'vis'
<11> Vis = "that is", "in other words".
<5> like IE?
<11> Similar. They're both latin-derived.
<5> ok
<11> </dead language lesson>
<20> Crell: You want to just instatiate a variable cl***?
<20> $f = new $foo();
<11> hm. OK, this isn't going to work afterall because I have to be in a static context...
<21> vis vis is french, a very alive language
<11> Pollita: Ah good, it's the simple way. Thanks.
<11> rarman1: Yes, but that's an entirely different vis.
<21> Crell: ah
<20> PERL ****S
<20> there... I did it for you
<11> I was going to say "French ****s"...
<11> Or "Latin is dead!"
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