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<0> I ran Windows 2000 Advanced Server
<1> itrebal, have you ever faced a situation on which you want to be DRY, but you have to repeat the code with little changes?
<0> For a long time
<2> best thing is not to use linux :)
<3> Arthur_: i have no idea what you mean by DRY
<4> joh: debian does it for me so I don't have to
<5> kuja: Ubuntu = for people who want their OS up and running without having to spend hours of cluddering around.
<6> "Gentoo = For sadistic people who have plenty of time" *raises hand*
<7> Ubuntu is really not that bad, once you replace all the apt sources with debian ones :)
<0> ...
<5> Pff
<0> Agreed
<8> joh: Seriousl, Ubuntu's `sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' is 90% equivalent to doing `sudo apt-get install gnome' on Debian... You can't argue the whole speed **** on me.
<3> so i should indeed go debian?
<1> Don't Repeat Yourself
<8> Seriously, even
<0> itrebal: or FreeBSD
<9> itrebal: what is the main task of the box going to b e?
<5> kuja: Also, ubuntu follows gnome's release schedule :)
<3> dedbian it is - its already 15% done :)
<7> itrebal, what distro are you using now?
<0> [ nforbes ] Because ubuntu is Debian sid on the Gnome release cycle
<3> punkstar: web, database, and a few other various things i decide to go with
<7> s/are/were
<8> Is it really that important? Add a repository.
<9> freeBSD all the way, or redHat.
<3> bugzElMagnifico: slack
<3> gottao go!@
<0> Oh, I forgot to mention, Ubuntu needs to repackage *everything* with -ubuntu1
<0> For whatever reason
<10> because it is a poorly designed distro
<11> server + gnome = bad You shouldn't need your server to follow the release schedule of a WM
<8> nforbes: Well, they're not Debian packages. Most of the packages are compiled on Ubuntu
<0> deuce868: My server doesn't even have X installed, hahaha
<7> ubuntu has all the power of debian with the limitations of RH. Hence... a pain in the rear
<5> deuce868: ubuntu server install doesn't include a wm
<0> X is for wimps
<0> ;)
<8> nforbes: Note, Debian doesn't do anything like -debian or whatever. Ubuntu does this probably not to conflict with Debian packages (but that's my guess)
<5> nforbes: Exactly! vim + lynx for the people!
<0> oh no
<0> Now you die.
<0> emacs
<10> emacs ****s :p
<11> lynx --dump > all for cron jobs in php
<5> Ohnoes!
<0> emacs > *
<7> kuja, ubuntu + debian sources == conflict...
<7> ubuntu is based on older libraries than debian and you cant get things to work
<5> Well, ubuntu server ~= debian minimal install.
<5> bugzElMagnifico: Example please.
<7> libc6 for instance...
<5> Ubuntu works great for the desktop, for the server it's mostly equivalent to debian.
<11> joh: the problem with ubuntu server is that you have a limited subset of server packages that are testing/trouble free. Any time you're uncommenting sources with a warning above them on a server you should be thinking twice
<0> I still think FreeBSD is the best server OS
<0> :\
<9> yup :)
<9> freebsd with httpd/httpdlight :)
<7> not to mention the annoying restriction on playing MP3s...
<8> nforbes: FreeBSD "packages" require compiling?
<0> Some do
<11> bugzElMagnifico: that's any non-paid linux distro
<9> This is PHP channel btw ;)
<0> portinstall -P <package>
<8> Then it's not the best server OS, if the server software requires compiling.
<11> welcome to econ 101
<0> kuja: Uh. Who cares?
<8> nforbes: People without time care.
<5> bugzElMagnifico: Just installing a package, and you're ready to go.
<7> deuce868, debian doesnt impose that...
<0> FreeBSD's slogan is "The power to serve"
<0> It was designed as a server
<0> Come on
<8> Debian -> Precompiled packages -> apt -> stable server in 2 minutes
<12> 5
<8> :)
<0> That's not true
<12> it isn't?
<0> I always found configuring Debian was a pain in the ***
<0> Because they split config files all over the place
<11> nforbes: you ever try to config network in suse by config file...that's files all over the place
<13> there is no problem with thet
<0> nforbes@wintergreen:~$ find /etc/apache2/ -type f | wc -l
<0> 55
<12> nforbes: in most cases you don't need to modify them, as dpkg solves everything
<8> Apache2 module configs are nicely organized.
<8> /etc/apache2/modules-available, /etc/apache2/modules-enabled
<0> Yeah. I'll admit that a2enmod is really cool
<8> Kind of obvious.
<0> But like the sites
<0> I don't understand why they do it like that
<7> actually... I think debians config system is quite straight forward
<12> agreed
<5> Yep, it's nice.
<7> is there anything easier out there?
<8> nforbes: They don't do it to make it a pain in the ***.
<8> They do it to make server management easier.
<12> I never had any problem with that... It's logical... For PHP and for apache
<0> Well, I think it's a pain in the *** :\
<0> I'd rather have one httpd.conf in /usr/local/etc/apache2
<12> nforbes: I think you're alone there :)
<0> Shrug.
<5> a2enmod/a2ensite is brilliant :)
<8> I like being able to move config files from mods-enabled to mods-available and just restarting apache to unload a module, without ever having to touch httpd.conf
<0> I guess I just like editing files by hand
<0> It makes me feel powerful :|
<8> :P
<7> he he he
<12> nforbes: The *only* reason that I don't use ubunu's Apache (file management is the same as Debian), ios because mod_python segfaults apache under certain conditions.
<12> *ubuntu's
<7> I read somewhere "power of the machine is an illusion"
<12> indeed it is
<0> mod_perl completely borks under FreeBSD
<0> Stupid threading
<0> Well, I don't know how it does now
<0> but for FreeBSD 4 it was hell
<12> you *do* have compiled multi-threading mod_perl?
<8> Gentoo Server Admin: That package you requested 8 hours ago, it's still compiling, please hold for another 2 hours please.
<12> lol
<8> >:]
<12> kuja++
<5> kuja: And don't remember adding all those optimization flags!
<5> Makes the software run blazingly fast :P
<8> Debian Server Admin: php-mysql? Oh sure. >>sudo apt-get install php-mysql<< ... Done. Have fun!
<8> :)
<0> USE="GAPING_SECURITY_HOLE" emerge netcat
<12> http://funroll-loops.org/
<7> you must admit, the *idea* behind gentoo is not too shabby.
<8> Gentoo just has a cool logo :P
<5> Stormchaser: A cl***ic :)
<12> bugzElMagnifico: In reality you gain *nothing* with that...
<8> People say they have more power, but it's really an illusion.
<8> Just like any other distro, their packages are tied to schedules.
<5> Agree
<5> So... anyone tried LFS? Now *that* is power! :P
<8> Though, Gentoo's packages might be newer, Debian focuses on unified stability.
<12> joh: not really... That is *nightmare*
<5> Stormchaser: </irony>
<12> heh
<0> Anyone tried rPath?
<14> i just finished php based interface translation module, and i want to test how it behave.what i need volenteers to translate 20 keywords to thier native language all nations are welcome.
<5> [Q]Diamond: What's wrong with gettext?
<14> what is it ?
<12> pyhp.net/gettext
<12> *php.net
<14> o i c
<8> Give me $100 per word.
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