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<0> TheWarden: We're a relatively anti-PEAR lot.
<1> I just don't wanna paste 4 lines of code in here
<2> #shrimponthebarbie
<2> #bbqbabybackribs
<0> Jymmm: Shrimpon the Barbie?
<0> Is that a new line from Mattel?
<2> TML: <0> Jymmm: Shrimp on the Barbie?
<1> #iwantmybabybackbabybackbabyback_chileeeees
<3> They replace Ken with shrimp
<0> heh
<2> TML: No, it's an aussie tourist beauru thing
<1> enigmaa?
<2> KEN WAS DUMPED!
<0> bryan986: Play "Ken on the Barbie" growing up, did you?
<2> For real
<3> TML: Ken is a dirty dirty man.
<1> ken is gay
<1> and has no penis
<4> is there a debian package that contains the Mail/Queue.php?
<0> leikh: Probably not, but apt-file would know for sure
<2> Barbie divorced Ken http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3484949.stm
<2> THAT SLUT!
<1> oh well.
<5> leikh: Debian doesn't package PEAR packages at the moment, afaik. Just pear install Mail
<3> I am more surprised that the BBC wrote an article about that.
<4> mattmcc: ok, thx
<6> rhx
<7> `Rewt - seriously, you cant just tell me in here?
<8> mattmcc: and auth, date, file, mail-mime, html-template-it, pear-log...
<6> and Python.
<0> And boo
<6> :)
<6> TML: Will you try Python 2.5 alpha?
<9> TML: Really, may I ask why anti-PEAR?
<6> TheWarden: Because it's crap? Along with it's dependancy hell?
<0> TheWarden: I think there are as many different answers to that as there are people in ##PHP
<4> mattmcc: after "pear install Mail", then what?
<0> As Stormchaser has just demonstrated
<6> :)
<8> TheWarden: pear is a 3rd party script. Not Invented Here.
<5> And a healthy percentage of those arguments will be nonsense.
<0> Stormchaser: I'm very interested in some of the things Guido said about it, but I doubt I'll have the time to look at it
<5> Roughly boiling down to "I heard someone say PEAR smells funny, so I don't like PEAR."
<8> leikh: use it as per its docs?
<6> TML: I'll probably check it out as soon as I can find a "victim" machine :)
<9> shocking response.... wasn't expecting that.
<0> TheWarden: Personally, it's because 99% of the stuff I would look for in PEAR, I had already created before PEAR came about.
<8> TheWarden: which one?
<4> ||cw: it's just that i can't find the queue.php that i expected to come with the install...
<9> TML: true, but creating a centralized code repository sounds nice to me. No more duplication of code or efforts. Cleaner code and proper code.. at least ideally.
<9> I guess what you are all getting at is make my own damn HTML Form cl***... mmm wish I had the time..... oh man, thanks.
<0> TheWarden: I already have my own repository, is what I'm saying.
<6> TheWarden: but in practice, PEAR isn't as clean as you would want it to bo... There are things in the packages you want, that will reduce working performance of PHP and increased the memory usage. I found myself rewiting things from scratch the very best solution.
<0> TheWarden: I'll admit, there are one or two things I look to PEAR for, but nothing essential. Timer_Benchmark and Text_CAPTCHA are the only ones that come to mind.
<6> with me PEAR::SOAP
<10> Can't you guys help improve the packages, though?
<4> ||cw: never mind... it's package Mail_queue that i wanted...
<10> I agree it's not perfect, but when's the last time that stopped us?
<11> TML, you've used Text_CAPTCHA? does it work well?
<0> jonez: I worked well enough for my needs at the time.
<10> The concept of PEAR is good, so if it ****s now, we should work to make it better.
<6> Julian|Work: You're welcome to improve it.
<10> As are you guys. I'm not complaining :P
<8> Julian|Work: sure, that's why pear has its own support channels
<12> ggahh this is taking a long time
<0> Julian|Work: I'm not complaining
<12> GD is terribly irritating :/
<8> which is realy this whole thing boils down to
<8> ##php doesn't support pear, #pear does.
<8> hell, ##php doens't even official support php
<6> Julian|Work: I'm not either. Just pointing out the facts... But nowadays I don't use PHP outside work, so, I don't care much about it.
<13> why isn't there an official PHP room?
<6> no need, it seems.
<10> Maybe you're not complaining, but that's mincing my words. My bottom line is that if you don't like PEAR and think it's useless, maybe we should spend some time improving it to benefit the community.
<0> Julian|Work: What ****s about PEAR, IMO, is the group of people involved, and the infrastructure they've built. They've made it pretty clear that it's a group for the "Cool Kids". Given that I'm neither of the above...well, I find it better to just pretend PEAR doesn't exists.
<6> ##php is "as close at it gets"'
<8> ^Migs^: the mailing lists and bug tracker are easier to account for
<10> TML: I can't speak to the culture-- I just download the packages.
<10> TML, but if that's the case, that's too bad for them-- it certainly won't help improve it.
<8> Julian|Work: and that is the dark side of open source
<10> :(
<10> The lame side.
<0> The llama side
<8> yes, i think llama is the offical term
<8> from what I still recall from a.s.r
<0> alt.***.rubicscube?
<6> lol
<14> rubics!
<8> uh, yeah. llama.
<12> Ahroun: you still around?
<15> what was function name to escape all chars that cant be inserted into mysql db?
<12> mysql_real_escape_string
<16> itrebal: I am, but only for a few moments more.
<15> thanks
<12> Ahroun: ok then
<16> itrebal: What's on your mind?
<12> http://itrebal.com/shape.php?radius=10&nsides=8&draw i need to do the radius (as shown) but i also need to draw from the center, to the middle of a flat section
<17> Hi, if a php page loads in an average of 1.5 seconds, is that too long
<17> like, abnormally long
<12> PoLiZei: yes, unless its a very very large script
<5> Eh?
<5> Google's front page loads in 1.5s for me.
<18> Whats the easiest way to get paths like http://foo/bar/edit instead of http://foof/bar.php/edit ? can php do this? or do I need to go through all that handler crap on apache?
<12> mattmcc: err, rather, i ment processing time
<5> itrebal: Ah, I guess we're interpreting "page load" differently.
<16> itrebal: I got a an error trying to access it.
<19> pudo: yes, all that "apache crap"
<18> GarethAdams: cheers. I hate that.
<16> itrebal: There we go.
<12> PoLiZei: i think you need to redefine your question, page loading total, or the amount of processing time for the script
<17> - itrebal - Well I have a page loaded in" script
<17> I think it's page loading total
<16> itrebal: Oy. Um. There IS a way to do it, however... I don't have the resources on me to give you an answer. Will you be on in about an hour or so?
<17> like, my site is here: http://jkdf2.net
<17> load time is at the bottom of the page
<12> Ahroun: if i'm not, i'd be back in 30 minutes or so
<12> Ahroun: can you give me a hint as to how it would be figured otu?
<16> itrebal: *nods* As long as you need to go ONLY to the center of the line segments, think pythagorean theorum. I gotta run now.
<16> itrebal: *grins* One step ahead of you. ;)
<12> Ahroun: ah, good idea, thanks
<16> You know your hypotenuse (sp), you know your angles, so solve the rest of it using LoS or LoC as appropriate.
<16> law of sine/cosine.
<12> right
<12> thanks
<17> uhh
<17> Question - I am including a bunch of different pages in every page, I heard there is a way to only include certain files once, any ideas on this?
<20> I get this error when compiling php5 configure: error: Cannot find rfc822.h. Please check your c-client installation.
<21> PoLiZei, use "include_once(page.php);"
<17> ahh ok thanks dude ;)
<12> except not, it'd be include_once('page.php');
<21> itrebal, i believe it works w/out single quotes but best to be safe eh
<12> Zeroelixis: it *very much* does not
<22> heh
<17> hehe
<12> Stormchaser: likewise
<17> how does php know when to include it again, some kidn of session?
<22> well, php does try to be 'smart'
<17> kind even*
<23> morning
<23> :)
<6> PoLiZei: Em... What?
<22> but the . may get in the way of that here ;)
<17> When I use include_once() how does php know when to include it another time
<6> PoLiZei: Look at it's source.
<17> lol k
<22> if your code relies on include_once functionalilty, odds are it needs more planning before coding
<24> Is there any way to fork a script in PHP 4.4? :)
<25> I'm using a freshly compiled 4.4.2 install w/ its module in an apache2.2.0, it doesn't recognize gzopen() which I've confirmed is available in php4... is there some apache config that needs to be used to tell the module where to find any necessary php libraries? is it all within the apache module and something else is wrong?
<5> nobb: http://php.net/pcntl
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