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<0> tables are for tabular data
<1> podunk indeed
<2> So, again. The dates for that argument need work.
<3> psyko_php: "describe $database"
<1> most likely that is
<1> i use FM-2222 to get back and forth from ritzy austin to downtown austin
<4> loads of table mssql 2000 want to convert to mysql
<5> psyko_php: good luck with that.
<0> /join #xml
<0> oops
<3> psyko_php: yeah. might want to do it the hard way: export to csv -> import to mysql
<6> Davey: got my msg?
<3> or something i dunno
<4> hmmm probalby about 200 tables
<5> kostja: no, and I probably won't, you're probably not identified
<5> also:
<6> [20:06] <6> Davey I tried $var = "text" <linebreak> ."text"; but I got this error: Parse error: parse error, unexpected '.', expecting ',' or ';' in
<4> If I could automate it would b cool :p
<5> oh, that, yeah, I saw that. I think you're wrong
<7> degWORK: Tis ok, it STILL doesn't validate. bastards lol
<8> I have a error related to http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=35029 , but i have PHP 4.4.2 and Apache 1.3.34 ( segmentation faults with multiple include virtual requests ), i tried upgrade, remove, re install, and nothing solve the problem, i got this too: signal Segmentation fault (11). Thanks in advance.
<3> psyko_php: Make some nice PHP to convert then :) perhaps that's already created
<9> Can Anyone tell me what REGISTRAR means ?
<6> Davey, but what's wrong?
<2> koshka88: That would not cause a parse error.
<10> ooooh, mattmcc wins the factual contest
<11> though i still agree with Jymmm. why fuss with css until all of the cross-browser issues are worked out? tables never seem to have a problem.
<7> unstable-and-new: REGISTRAR would be the DMV of Domains
<12> unstable-and-new: in what context?
<2> One might say that the very existance of the concept of a "spacer image" is a problem.
<13> b1n0ry: I want to have your definition of never....
<2> That it's necessary (And, indeed a _standard component of table layouts_) is, in my book, a fundamental flaw.
<12> unstable-and-new: someone responsible for keeping records -- Princeton
<9> itrebal: I'm having a problem setting up a domain name with Cpanel (I allready bought it)
<12> unstable-and-new: then your registrar is the person you bought it from
<6> how can I connect two strings over a linebreak?
<9> itrebal: I bought it from godaddy.com... is that my REGISTRAR ?
<10> $string = "string1" .
<12> indeed
<10> "string2";
<2> kostja: The method you pasted does work. A parse error would be coming from something else.
<14> is there a way I could make system() not output anything? I just need two variables with the return value and the output
<2> marccd: Sure, don't use system(). There are a half dozen other functions for running processes.
<14> mattmcc: like?
<2> marccd: http://php.net/exec
<15> popen, exec,...
<14> thank
<6> mattmcc: the methid doesn't work
<16> . o O ( backtick operator )
<2> kostja: It does work. You're doing something else wrong if it didn't. Feel free to use pastebin.com
<7> b1n0ry: One of my primary reasons for tables is that I'm just so tired of dealing with compatabliity issues; so much work/effort/testing/retesting - fsck that.
<2> If your only concern is how a web page graphically appears, then sure, knock yourself out, use tables.
<2> There are, however, other concerns.
<3> accessibility for one
<11> the way i look at it is this - the goal as a web developer is to produce a particular output that is as cross-platform as possible, conveys a particular set of information, and allows visitors to locate that information in a well-organized manner. therefore, who the fu-- cares what's in the "View Source" window?
<5> such as Section 508 compliance
<10> mattmcc++
<12> mattmcc: Davey ++
<13> maintainability is one other important issue.
<2> b1n0ry: Yes, that's exactly the mentality for which a table-based layout is fine. You only care how it looks visually for a certain set of browsers.
<12> yay! all my previous arguments that went ignored are being brought up
<5> b1n0ry: Have you ever listended to one of your so called "well organized" websites?
<13> starting with the 7th nested table the maintainability drops to about zero.
<10> seo likes table-less design too
<2> ds-: Tableless is a misleading term. There's nothing wrong with tables.
<0> going to csszengarden always reminds me why tableless is so nice
<17> hallo
<3> only thing I use tables for are forms...
<7> Bazzi if one is usage more than one nested table, there are far other issues to be worried about =)
<10> true, "tableless layout"
<11> Davey: i'm not sure what "listended" means and Bazzi: like the 7th nested <div> is any easier.
<6> http://pastebin.com/594953
<5> b1n0ry: listened, as in, using a screen reader, like blind people do
<7> b1n0ry html to speach
<13> well that shouldn't be that necessary
<12> b1n0ry: actually listened to it, gotten a screenreader and listened to it
<7> b1n0ry html to speech
<13> since there are more semantical tags to be used where possible
<2> One of the biggest problems that table layouts introduce is that they misrepresent the logical flow of a document.
<18> You need to go Zen about it.... put on a blindfold and sit all cross-legged while you listen to your website and navigate with your toes
<6> mattmcc: have you seen the link? http://pastebin.com/594953
<7> mattmcc Unless someone is harvesting the webpage, who cares?
<5> b1n0ry: Section 508 is about accesiblity for people with disabilities, just like people expect handicap spaces in car parks and wheel chair ramps into stores, so they also expect to be able to get the data from your website.
<11> Davey: doesn't matter. if one wanted to be so inclined to make accomodation for people of disability and increase accessibility, one need only generate a template that only renders content text. pretty simple solution there.
<18> 'cause if you don't, you havn't been fair to the blind dual-upper-amputees
<2> b1n0ry: So now you're requiring users of screen readers to access different URLs?
<0> Jymmm: that's also like saying coding an application is fine, even if the code is absolutely horrible and improper
<2> That's not accessible.
<5> b1n0ry: how do you know if he user is using a visual or non-visual browser?
<19> I ***ume if you make a $1000 site for someone, and the cms is Wordpress, some eyebrows might raise
<11> and besides, i only write porn sites, and if someone is blind and coming to a porn site, they have issues :)
<5> I'm pretty sure Opera doesn't report itself any differently if you turn on voice recognition
<0> Jymmm: the application can be slower than it should be, and really hard to modify, but hey, if it works, who cares
<18> b1nory: braile
<20> I think you could do a test using the @media CSS keyword
<20> But do not ask me how.
<18> hah yeah
<0> lol
<18> exactly
<6> what's wrong here? http://pastebin.com/594953
<18> Dude... that was Dave Chepelle in that movie
<10> really?
<18> I didn't know who he was at the time
<2> kostja: Hrm. That appears to be behavior specific to defining a cl*** member variable.
<18> Now I'm thinking back and I'm like... oh yeah....
<10> Yah, that was long before he was anybody big
<2> I'm not sure why PHP is being stupid about that.
<2> $var = "foo"
<2> . "bar";
<2> works.
<17> i wanna print out some stuff depending on the session variable. it can be de or en (for the language). however, after starting the session it seems to forget the array value... any ideas?
<18> mattmcc: Well, not really.... var is a keyword
<6> mattmcc: maybe because var is static?
<2> Pollita: But why does that affect how I can concatenate a string?
<18> IT doesn't
<5> Pollita: you can actually do $var
<2> var $var = "foo"
<2> . "bar";
<2> doesn't work.
<15> Pollita: "Dave Chappelle .... Ahchoo" <-- IMDB rocks ;)
<21> does anyone speak dutch?
<15> no
<5> you can even do $interface etc :)
<2> Oh, I'm not worried about the name. $foo instead. <shrug>
<18> how odd
<5> I think that was the point Pollita was making about $var though (i.e. your example wouldn't work because var is a keyword)
<18> Someone must have budged $var in for BC
<18> But only outside of cl***es
<2> Davey: It doesn't actually care about that.
<18> Since the BC doesn't exist for properties
<18> php -ddisplay_errors=on -r 'cl*** f { $var = "Foo"; } $g = new f; var_dump($g);'
<18> Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_VARIABLE, expecting T_FUNCTION in Command line code on line 1
<18> mattmcc: Yes, it does.
<18> erm
<18> okay I'm dumb
<18> SHUT UP
<10> :)
<8> I have a error related to http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=35029 , but i have PHP 4.4.2 and Apache 1.3.34 ( segmentation faults with multiple include virtual requests ), i tried upgrade, remove, re install, and nothing solve the problem, i got this too: signal Segmentation fault (11). Thanks in advance.
<14> how can I concatenate all the values of a $key=value array into a "$value1 $value2" and so on list?
<17> can enlighten me concerning the $_SESSION array?
<17> anybody
<10> marccd: are you looking for implode(' ', $array)?
<6> so anyone has an idea for my problem?
<22> how do i redirect to another page in php
<14> ds-: yes, never though of that, I was thinking of a foreach loop
<14> kenroy_: checkout header()
<23> kenroy_: header("location
<23> ****
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