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<0> PeterFA: because of the question you just asked.. aka ASL..
<0> noting your a female just means you have to ask AL/pic
<1> I already got the S, I don't need the L, it's the A I want, and a pic would be nice :)
<2> ASL are my initials
<1> zircu, oh yeah
<1> lol, aidan
<0> aidan: pic?
<2> lol
<3> hehe
<0> or cam?
<4> !editors
<3> cam++
<1> asl= NULL/1/rand()
<1> fer me
<3> Jymmm: I've already seen yours ;)
<5> Dang. Another spam got through my bayesian filters. That's 2 in as many years.
<4> lig seen what?
<0> your cam
<0> i tend to avoid the cam i'm not into BDSM
<6> TML: What are you using? Bogofilter or Spam******in?
<1> w00t, I got a query to work!
<3> zircu: it voyerism with a cam... BDSM if someone wears leather ;)
<1> lig, it's not voyerism unless the person doesn't know about it.
<7> cool. I'd love to see how many ppl hit mysql. :)
<3> Ok - then exhibishism
<5> Stormchaser: http://crm114.sourceforge.net/
<1> lig, yeah, that would work
<1> lig, of course, you would know ;)
<3> of course... ask Jymmm - brought him to the roof the other day
<1> lig, so you're an exhibitionist, eh?
<3> as with most things - catch someone in the right mood
<5> Stormchaser: Form SA user, though
<2> TML: how many messages has it killed that were valid, though?
<5> aidan: Not one. I check weekly, and I've never seen one.
<2> holy wow
<5> aidan: And my current running average is 2794 spam/day
<1> You know what's funny? You take a course in something and think you know it all. You practice it in real life and realize just how silly you really were.
<5> PeterFA: Is that really how it goes?
<3> "the more I know - the more I realize how little I know"
<2> TML: that's pretty impressive, why isn't it more popular?
<5> PeterFA: Because I thought it was just me...when I hire people with a degree, they generally seem more useless.
<8> PeterFA, you took a course on what exactly?
<5> aidan: I'm guessing there are multiple reasons
<8> TML, in college they teach rather useless stuff... I mean, it's nice after a while to know what a sequencer is or how the ALU works, but it's not like you will solve any issues with a computer knowing that.
<1> TML, I'm serious, you really think you know it. Then you get dropped into something and you're like, "Oh, I don't, damn."
<1> Cicciux, just various things.
<8> there is a differnece between a degree and actual knowledge, and real field experience
<1> Cicciux, I'm learning a lot right now.
<1> Cicciux, it's hard to distinguish knowledge from experience.
<1> TML, who do you hire for?
<8> yes, and they are both related in many levels.
<1> TML, who do you perfer to hire then?
<1> Cicciux, I find my experience puts me head and shoulders above those lusers who think they know stuff.
<0> you can't neglect the meaning of a degree though.. it means you've gone through a system and have successfully done so
<3> PeterFA: College was nice for the beer and the theory.. reality never matches theory... but later knowing theory can help understand reality
<8> TML, would you hire someone with no degree no certifications but that has php programming among his hobbies??
<6> Hello, world! This is CRM114 version 20040118-BlameEric <-- haha :)
<1> Some degrees are good though. My sisters degree in Graphic Design. She's a good graphic designer, though that might be due to talent.
<1> lig, it seams to me that you want to read some, practice, practice, get degree, practice, and then you know
<9> I don't want to a degree to be accepted for employment. It's pointless.
<3> actually - i got the degree, got some experience and now read read read
<1> lig, and what is this exactly?
<1> lig, are you a php professionally?
<8> lig, yes, theory rules... but only if you like it... its uses are rather limited... unless you reach a level where you actually need it (like 'driver' programming and kernel hacking)
<6> I don't have a degree -- I just know a lot and have quite some projects to show :)
<0> kuja: change your attitude
<9> Stormchaser: Right, you have a portfolio :)
<1> I hear A+ is a joke.
<0> kuja: make it work to your advantage..
<6> kuja: And CV
<10> :x
<10> err
<8> TML, do you have some guidelines for hiring?
<9> zircu: College doesn't work to an advantage as far as knowledge expansion is concerned.
<1> Stormchaser, you have more than enough for hire :)
<9> College works as a more exciting high school, in my eyes. Also one reason I'm going to college.
<1> kuja, lol
<3> kuja: sure it does... any knowledge is good -
<9> lig: I don't have to pay for it.
<3> even if it isn't what you want to do forever
<1> The one year degree at my local college is like, not a very good one.
<0> kuja: of course not
<1> I don't know what the degree is for, but a guy with the degree once accidentally took out half of our cities backbone because he didn't know to put updates on Server 2003.
<9> Even if I get a degree, I'm not going want my employer to hire me cause I have a degree.
<9> And many employers don't hire you just because you have a degree.
<6> PeterFA: Not enough... I don't want to be a coder anymore... I want to be cartoonist :)
<1> Stormchaser, lol, good luck
<1> I just want to be uber 1337 like Linus.
<0> as I put it related to 'why would you want to get Zend Certified'.. it is an advantage you have over one person that doesn't have a Zend certfication on the employers view point
<9> For example, in Korea, if you want a coding job, all you have to know is ASP/PHP/Flash/Photoshop. This is all it takes to get a job, college isn't a discussion.
<9> And, why would I pay to learn those?
<1> kuja, hmm.
<6> PeterFA: Theen make yourself a MINIX-clone and make SCO sue you :)
<1> I don't know flash.
<1> Stormchaser, :P
<3> ah - but stateside HR may not even look at you unless you have overwhelming expereince and most kids don't
<0> Stormchaser: hahaha
<8> PeterFA, you aren't missing anything...
<1> Cicciux, I don't llike flash anyways, except for some circumstances, like making a game or something.
<5> Cicciux: I actually teach a cl*** at the local community college on how to hire
<5> Well 'teach a cl***' might be a bit formal
<9> TML: Do you employ?
<1> TML, I like to learn from people who know business and crap.
<5> kuja: Not right this moment
<9> TML: In an employer's position, what are the most important things, in order.
<1> TML, what do you look for an an applicant?
<9> s/\./?/
<8> TML, I am looking for a job (not in coding) so it would help me to know how HHRR mind work.. XD
<0> TML: you have a paper on that, i'd be interested in reading it
<9> TML: I've noticed many employers don't care about a college degree.
<3> here here
<5> kuja: Ability to think creatively and not lying on your resume are the top two
<1> Hahaha, the only thing more dangerous than saying, "I'm a 16 year old female looking for a friend" on IRC is saying, "I'm an employer."
<5> zircu: That's why I said "teach a cl*** might be too formal"
<1> TML, besides the obvious, what makes you turn someone away?
<9> The inability and the negative of the latter, I ***ume.
<8> PeterFA, that isn't so in a furry channel... there it would be dangerous to say: I'm a 900 pounds grizzly bear
<0> TML: either way, i'm interested in your view on the topic
<1> TML, as am I.
<9> Too bad I haven't kept a portfolio.
<1> We all probably want to know how to increase the odds of hire.
<6> PeterFA: If I'd hire, I'd give a test... The most clever one gets the job :)
<0> who should I hire first?
<1> Hire me, I'm the best man for the job.
<3> hehe
<0> PeterFA: bzzt. you are already not eligable
<9> Stormchaser: Hiring a PHP coder is not a tough job. Just tell them to write the same application, review the code :)
<9> Because it's easy to spot a ****ty PHP coder
<1> kuja, heh, I'm a new coder.
<11> i'm a ****ty coder
<3> didn't marcus write up something about hiring coders on his blog?
<1> Ouch, my lower back hurts.
<1> Stupid bike.
<6> kuja: Actually -- *cleaver* means he knows how to avoid bad practices...
<1> I get a bike to save money, and what does it do?
<0> kuja: i'd rather hire an in-experienced php programmer open to forward movment vs a php programmer that thinks he is all that
<1> It screws up my back ;'(
<2> I agree with zircu, but ZEC's are useless... It's about memorising function names, rather than good coding practice or problem solving
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