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<0> Yeah
<0> Migs: You can typecase if you want
<0> $six = (int)"6";
<0> $six = intval("6");
<1> I know, but you don't NEED to
<2> no need
<1> because PHP is too smart
<0> $six = "6"; set_type($six, "integer");
<2> or... just dumb
<1> so dumb it's.....smart?
<2> exactly
<1> yeah
<3> Pollita: $six = eval("return $six+0;") ...
<3> :)
<2> s/trout/very large trout/
<4> PETT?
<0> The small trout are fine.
<1> why is it when there's infomericals for Christian-based CDs, they always show the audience holding candles and swaing back and forth with their eyes closed, mouthing the words to the songs
<1> I'm sorry, but it's really tacky
<2> ^Migs^: because thats how god sells
<1> I love Christian music, but that makes me NOT want to buy it
<0> ((JOIN)) ((US)))
<4> ^Migs^: If the audience beating each other with folding chairs sold the CDs better, that's what you'd be seeing in the ads.
<1> haha
<1> I'd buy a CD like that just out of curiosity
<5> ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE! ))))))))))))))))))))))))
<0> I really wanna hear some punk-metal-devil-christian-rock
<1> I'm quite sure it exists, Pollita
<0> YYYYEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH mananananananaanmamanananannanannDUHDUHDUH-DUHDUH-DUHDUH!
<5> ok Butthead
<6> itrebal: what oxymoron
<1> I think devil-christian rock
<2> devil-christian-
<0> I am neither an Ox nor a Moron
<1> that's not always an oxymoron, I'm sorry to say
<2> meh
<7> damn my one monitor is breaking
<6> um, in order to believe in the devil you have to be christian
<2> aethera: i thought you were going to bed
<2> ||cw: yea, thats true
<1> I think the statement more reflects that devils and Christians are somehow similar
<6> satanism as a religion is is a christion one
<1> that's not true either
<4> Pollita: Christian punk/metal doesn't sound all that different from the secular variety, really. The lyrics aren't necessarily pushing the religion so much as simply not pushing "ungodly" activities.
<1> many other religions believe in the devil. You find it in Hinduism, Judaism, Islam, and to some extent in Buddhism
<4> Pollita: The genre without the lifestyle, I suppose you could call it.
<0> mattmcc: Ungodly? Like what? Tax evasion? Molestation of little boys?
<0> Oh wait...
<2> Pollita: bah! those are *perfectly* godly
<6> buddhism isn't so much a religion though
<4> Pollita: I don't think the catholic church has a record label..
<1> and satanism is not really a religion that worships Satan, so to speak. It focuses more on the self, doing what's right for you
<0> "Faith....Plus 1"
<1> kind of like how secular humanism focuses on doing what's right for everyone
<4> Well, actually, I imagine it does. But I doubt it puts ot metal albums. :)
<6> ^Migs^: I htought that was agnostic
<1> no, agnostic is not knowing whether God exists or not, and presumably saying there is no way to know
<1> completely different
<0> "Secural Humanism" is the new word for "Heathen"
<0> s/ral/lar/
<8> ^Migs^: No, "agnostic" is anyone who doesn't subscribe to any particular dogma.
<2> TML: AFIAK agnostic has two popular definitions
<1> that's an atheist
<8> ^Migs^: No.
<2> ^Migs^: wrong, athiest doesnt beleive there is a higher power whatsoever
<2> TML: " a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and prob. unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god"
<8> Atheism is "The disbelief or denial of the existence of a God, or supreme intelligent Being."
<2> (agnostic ^)
<3> Atheism++;
<7> studioworks monitors ****
<7> but they are fixable
<9> higher power != supreme being
<1> agnosticism is about the lack of knowledge of God. The gnostics, on the other hand, believed that secret knowledge was required for gaining entrance to heaven. More generally, gnosis (Gr. knowledge) is the key. An agnostic denies knowledge of God can be obtained
<2> :( mines not in m-w
<7> so in turn
<2> ah ha! it is indeed
<7> I am not god?
<7> :P
<1> an agnostic would say there is no way to tell whether you are god or not, aethera
<2> ^Migs^: "a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and prob. unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god"
<1> am I just completely wrong about all this?
<7> ^Migs^: God can be many things
<9> no
<7> does not have to be a person
<7> :)
<9> god insits it is a being
<8> Agnostic \Ag*nos"tic\, a. [Gr. 'a priv. + ? knowing, ? to know.] (1) Professing ignorance; (2) involving no dogmatic;
<9> something that resembles a living thing
<2> TML: where is that from?
<8> itrebal: Webster
<1> MOST people in the world do not believe God has to be a person, aethera
<7> theconartist: well I am not going to get into a religeous battle with you
<2> TML: m-w.com?
<8> itrebal: No, the copy of Webster's dictionary sitting right here next to me
<1> that's generally a common precept in Eastern religions. You generally only find the concept of a being God in Western religions
<2> TML: gotchya, mine was from m-w.com
<8> itrebal: That's why it took so long to get out. :)
<8> Had to type it all
<2> hehe
<7> is it worth speaking about this?
<1> I don't see why it's not
<4> The website definition is more consistent with my understanding of the term.
<6> aethera: only on tuesdays
<2> mattmcc: mine as well
<4> Since it pertains to a specific philosophy.
<1> okay
<8> I think our definitions are pretty much the same
<10> "A word first used by Professor Huxley, to indicate one who believes nothing which cannot be demonstrated by the senses."
<7> anyway each to their own
<4> Simply saying that being agnostic is to "profess ignorance" is too broad.
<7> what I believe you do not have to believe
<10> sorry, I wanted to paste a definition too :-)
<7> cheers guys
<4> I'm not agnostic about how to build a bridge.
<7> sleep well when the time comes
<7> :)
<2> aethera: look up 'unitarian'
<11> lol
<8> mattmcc: I'm polytheistic about how to build a bridge, myself.
<12> itrebal: have the unitarians agreed on a definition?
<13> itrebal is a G-Unitarian
<1> I think we're all forgetting how awesome I am
<7> heh I will
<14> ^Migs^: you are?
<7> sometime tomorrow when I wake up
<7> :P
<4> TML: I agree.
<1> I'm sort of henotheistic
<2> CryWolf: they've pretty much resolved to the seven principles, which is rather summed up in "a member of a denomination that stresses individual freedom of belief, the free use of reason in religion"
<14> dj_segfault: I'd doubt that :)
<8> itrebal: WHAT?!?!
<1> Unitarianism isn't much of a religion in and of itself
<8> itrebal: Reason has *NO* place in religion
<1> at least not one that has an established set of precepts
<12> itrebal: I was being facetious. Unitarians are famous for their...well, in-fighting is such a poor word, since they don't do that kind of thing...so, famous for their in-debating. :)
<2> TML: heheh
<2> ^Migs^: indeed
<2> CryWolf: of course :) Unitarians are famous for debating *anything* and *everything* that comes across the table, and then forming a commitee to solve the issue
<8> itrebal is a witch. We should burn him.
<12> and probably the only religion which really knows how to laugh at itself.
<1> Reason has been a part of religion since the beginning of time. It is through appeals to reason that people rationalize certain beliefs
<2> TML: i do float...
<1> maybe not since the beginning of time, but that was a figure of speech
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