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<0> b1n0ry: do modules, not entire php mods
<1> LATEST AND GREATEST
<2> Well, developers are generally decent about not commiting utterly broken crap.
<2> But that doesn't mean it won't happen.
<0> mattmcc: indeed
<3> itrebal: as long as i can accomplish the results, that would be my preference
<1> I often commit crap to my CVS repos
<0> ^Migs^: is it personal?
<4> mazzanet - yes, it was.....a response ;)
<0> ^Migs^: and not provate?
<1> I take any offense toward CVS very personal
<2> Although I do it from time to time.
<0> er.... not public
<5> ^Migs^: Latest does not always equal greatest
<1> that's why I said latest AND greatest
<1> not latest OR greatest
<2> One time was particularly entertaining. I had committed some half-baked changes to a core component of this site I was working on..
<6> heh, just remember when win ME was latest
<0> mattmcc: hehehe, nice
<6> definately not greatest
<5> ^Migs^: But some of the "latest" might additionally include some of the "worst"
<2> The client woke up the next day and decided to send out the URL of the development server to 60 friends & family members to test on.
<2> Without warning or consulting us.
<1> I think it's getting too rowdy in here, with all the anti-CVS talk. We need to calm down.
<2> He then proceeded to go ape**** about "the test server isn't working, now I look bad."
<6> lol
<0> ^Migs^: i hate me some CVS... i love me some SVN
<5> itrebal: Preach it, brother!
<1> I just switched over to SVN today
<6> svn rules
<0> mattmcc: yea... i know how that goes
<6> mattmcc, did you yell at him and call him a dumb***? heh..
<2> Subversion's certainly a nice system, but it could still improve.
<0> mattmcc: *every* system could still be improved
<2> Recent exploration with distributed repositories has yielded some cool results that would be useful.
<1> what's the benefits of SVN over CVS and vice versa?
<7> i love it when clients freak out about unfinished code like that, instantly rewarded for their foolishness
<8> mattmcc: Angeline Jolie can be improved ;)
<2> And there's this notion of shelving that I'd love to see.
<3> alright, meeting time. later on folks.
<5> mattmcc: What's that?
<9> Bah, version control is for quiche eaters, I just write the code on paper and cross out where I need to fix it and draw arrows to the new code.
<3> dj_segfault: the only way i see that angelina jolie can be improved is to remove the pregnancy factor :)
<1> okay, what are you doing to help fix the deficiency, mattmcc?
<0> FlamingCows: :)
<2> ^Migs^: CVS has no advantages over SVN. The only reason CVS has prevailed for so long is that for much of its lifetime it was the _only_ practical OSS option.
<1> good system, FlamingCows
<5> b1n0ry: Ugh. I can't bear to look at those bloated lips.
<1> then what's better about SVN?
<3> TML: it's more the bloated chest that i like :)
<2> ^Migs^: It was actually designed to be a client-server system, for starters.
<0> ^Migs^: svn p\/\/|\|z|\|z competition
<2> The notion of a CVS 'server' is a hack.
<3> alright, bye folks.
<0> mattmcc: really? hehe
<5> ^Migs^: http://subversion.tigris.org/
<2> Additionally, any notion of access control is also a hack. For example, PHP implements access control on its CVS server via a big shell script.
<0> hehe, a friend of mine is telling me that his server doesnt go through booting and lilo/grub
<5> A shell script built off of a bunch of m4 files, no less
<2> Then there's the matter of simple repository features. Atomic commits, moving and removing files, etc.
<10> itrebal: im sure.
<0> myconid: i told him he was dumb, and walked away
<0> myconid: he proceeded to yell that i was wrong and didn't know
<5> itrebal: There *is* a movement to put a Linux kernel directly in the BIOS
<0> TML: though, his server doesn't have that feature, if it exists at all in the 1st place
<5> itrebal: I think they even have prototypes, using the new BIOS intel came out with
<8> TML: Who would want to do that?
<9> There is a linux BIOS, yeah.
<5> dj_segfault: You're directly in your kernel from power-on
<5> dj_segfault: What could be bad about that?
<8> I know *I* wouldn't want to risk reflashing the BIOS to update my kernel or libraries.
<9> I don't think anyone actually uses it much.
<8> I can see it for kiosks and embedded systems.
<5> dj_segfault: reflashing the BIOS isn't that big of a risk anymore.
<2> TML: Ah, shelving is basically a notion of picking and choosing which individual diffs within files you want to commit.
<5> dj_segfault: More importantly, in the new BIOS standard coming out, it's no risk at all
<5> mattmcc: Interesting! Got any pointers?
<8> cite?
<5> As you can imagine, googling for "shelving" isn't being very forthcoming
<2> 'subversion shelves' seems to work.
<2> I don't have anything too authoritative bookmarked yet.
<2> I first saw it mentioned on planet.debian.org, but failed to remember to tag the relevant posts.
<11> how to form http packets with PHP?
<2> Well, open a socket and write to it.
<1> that's not a proper sentence
<5> lng: php.net/socket
<1> what do you mean "form" http packets?
<11> TML: ok
<11> php sockets?
<7> maybe he's talking about setting a http header
<11> ^Migs^: create my onw
<11> send fake ips, ttl and so on
<12> ...
<13> TML: http://www.zend.com/zend/week/week264.php#Heading4
<5> Pollita: This is BRILLIANT
<13> ISN'T IT?
<14> so I want to see if inside /web/ there is a folder jmt so I did is_dir($img_root.$mysubpath."\\") which equates to C:\www\web\jmt\ C:\www\web\ being the root
<4> Pollita/TML - hah!
<13> Stuff like this makes the wait WORTH IT
<14> I always works, and in fact there is no "jmt" folder in there
<5> Pollita: Who wrote that?
<13> Steph++ "(Kudos to Sophocles and his translator, F. Storr.)
<5> I guess I should say "Who thought to quote Oedipus"?
<5> I know who wrote Oedipus Rex. :)
<13> :p
<13> Steph is bloody brilliant isn't she?
<5> yes
<5> yes, she is
<13> "Enter CREON, who has been AFK..."
<5> Is that the same Steph who used to be here and is now in #web?
<13> No, different Steph
<13> This Steph works for Zend in .il
<13> Though she's Brittish
<15> hi
<13> Can't believe you don't know her
<13> Ah me, what countless woes are mine!
<13> All our host is in decline;
<13> ^^^ Just love that couplet
<5> (It's only one cl***, dammit.)
<13> :D
<15> I have a trouble with this code, that's run 4 times and after that stop, there's a error with break, and I don't understand why and how change that, is someone can help me ==> http://pastebin.com/543892
<13> Dude, I'm making Chorus' closign couplet my signature on any flame-war from now on
<5> :)
<16> hello
<16> can someone tell me how to convert stirngs into numbers like "6" to 6?
<0> DjDarkPingvin: who says they arn't numbers already?
<5> "If you have a few hours to kill and enjoy seeing developers bicker..."
<5> Who can p*** up an invitation like that? :)
<17> TML: going to a conference?
<16> itrebal: for examle i have a srting that contains a number ,and i extract the number ,it will be still a string
<18> DjDarkPingvin: cast it
<13> DjDarkPenguin: PHP Automagically converts as needed
<13> Ex: $seven = "6" + 1;
<19> I am going to bed
<19> cheers all
<13> It "just works
<13> "
<0> 'night
<0> (tm)
<16> hmmm i din`t know that
<16> i`m used to other programing and scripting languages
<15> nobody to help me ?
<16> ok thanks
<0> yea, i know how you feel (only comming from the other side)
<1> no typecasting for PHP users
<5> Pollita: Did you read Ilia's blog?
<5> Pollita: I love the paragraph that begins "So, what can we learn from this?"
<13> Yeah
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