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<0> well you'd have a hell of a hard time reading data from tables and stuff
<0> and protected word files won't work at all
<1> well, they are not protected and only the text should be readable (not the pictures, tables, ...)
<1> but as far as I know some .doc files are _not_ readable using notepad (or Wordpad)
<0> yeah
<0> the format is pretty weird
<0> and it's not exactly open
<0> COM would be the best way, but that would require an installation of word and windows.. :P
<2> hmm, niraj, do you know of any COM tutorial? where to start?
<2> doesn't matter for what language
<0> the php manual has an example of how to make a word file using COM...
<0> i don't know where to look to learn more though..
<0> MS probably has it all documented in MSDN
<1> well, thanks for the hints, I'll see what I can do
<3> bloody xp box is doing my nut right now
<3> won't visit https sites anywhere, even on local lan, with any browser..... Wha????
<3> *sobs....
<3> i just want to test my login cl***
<3> damnit
<3> need to test on winblows for some IE6 specific features on the js side of things... damn this thing
<3> aurora: heh, nice, me likey look of ubuntu, did alot of fc till 5 months ago, i'm debian mostly now. Took me a while to get off the redhat buzz. but for this project, i have an entirely IE based audience, company web app, and no-one in company uses anything accept IE
<4> why does htmlentities() change some unicode characters? i thought it would only change <,>,[,] etc
<5> eeew
<3> no macs, no linux, just windies
<5> red hat = yucky
<3> yeh, kinda thinking that more and more as i get into deb more
<3> i like it, safe, sturdy,
<5> ubuntu is debian if it was a good distro and didn't ****
<5> safe, sturdy, horribly unusably out of date...
<3> aurora: emm, now, no..
<5> oh, and hardware incompatabilities up the wazoo
<3> i have latest php postgre and mysql all running fine on it.
<5> ubuntu is like the os x of linux
<3> i use the stablest apache 2 they have going
<3> all on deb
<5> stick the disc in, and install it, and its done, and everything works
<3> aurora: ahh, yeh, for desktop sure, but server side?
<5> debian is the power user stuff that Media Temple deploys on thousands of multi cu'd multieverything else super blade knife server thingies
<3> i triple boot my lappy, FC4, deb and xp, was gonna replace fc4 with ubuntu
<5> actually, IBM reccomends ubuntu as a server environment for their database apps
<3> reqlly?? interesting
<3> :0
<3> so unidata
<3> would they not recomend HPUX
<5> at the install, it starts with one of those "press enter for default, otherwise type name of boot mode" things
<5> and they have a "server" install mode which just chops out everything desktopy like the gui
<3> :) heheh
<3> nice
<5> oh, i think they recomend a few distro's
<3> yeh,RH8 through FC 4 had that
<5> but isn't hpux a closed source unix?
<3> yeh, it's IBM's own,
<6> aurora: I think you're wildly misrepresenting the situation. Thousands of SysAdmins the world over disagree with your statement that it is "horribly unusably out of date"
<7> maybe you can sit around and see what google is planning to do with their version of ubuntu nicknamed "goobuntu" heh
<3> hehehehe
<5> well, i'm only speaking from experience :p
<3> for real? goobuntu? hadn't heard of that
<6> And HPUX isn't IBM's. It's Hewlett Packard UniX
<3> TML: hurrrr... oops :)
<5> well ibm is really pushing for linux adoption
<3> what's IBM's unix then?
<7> yea, cause goobuntu is just on the drawing boards for now... they havent said if it was only for their use or not or anything else for that matter
<5> ibm doesn't have one, they're pushing linux
<3> aurora: i was pretty sure they had a propriotry nix
<5> they invest millions in to marketing and supporting open source and gnu/linux in general
<8> Rs6000
<6> NET||abuse: Well, there's AIX, Dynix, and about 10 others that escape me at the moment
<5> but that they actively encourage use of?
<3> TML: hah, yeh, AIX is the one i was thinking of, but didn't realise they had a family of nix's
<3> aurora: i'll have to read the IBM site myself
<3> aurora: but what's the coolest part of ubuntu for you?
<5> they had a TV campain a few years ago for linux
<3> aurora: come on and sell it to me :)
<6> aurora: IBM encourages people to use anything and everything that gets them using IBM hardware
<6> Including AIX, OS/400, and Linux.
<7> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ned=us&q=goobuntu&btnmeta%3Dsearch%3Dsearch=Search+the+Web Goobuntu exists but Google downplays the rumours and says it wont be released publicly
<5> coolest part is that everything works smooth as can be, automagically: i have had to open the command line three times in about 12 months of ubuntu usage, and one of those was to autoreconfigure x.org when i moved the hard drive in to a completly different computer, everything else was detected and fixed silently :)
<3> hmmm, nice,, i always have trouble switching graphics hardware or displays
<3> pain in the nadgers
<5> its just a really nice contrast to the traditional linuxy os's where allmost none of your apps work properly together
<6> aurora: All of which debian can do as well. The only difference between Debian and Ubuntu is how frequent the updates come. Debian aims for "stable with security patches" while Ubuntu is more of a "bleeding-edge to get the newest whizzbang".
<5> TML, no it isn't
<6> Something like 98% of Ubuntu packages are just rebuilt from the Debian tree
<6> No changes, just updated deps to work with Ubuntu names.
<5> ubuntu stays stable between releases, they keep their bleeding edge in a seperate beta release which isn't even mentioned in any obvious places on the ubuntu site
<6> aurora: I don't consider anything with less than 1 year of historical operation to be stable.
<6> "stable" means "unchanging" to me.
<7> http://goobuntu.com/ apparently a few screenshots of it is there
<5> i consider stability to come from how reliable it is, not how long its been acting that way for
<6> Or, as my dictionary defines stable: "not subject to overthrow or change"
<3> hmmmm, just got return call from voip providers, they gonna search up centrally managed ipphone network style thing for me, like a soft pbx :)
<9> Is there any secure way of executing code from a mysql query?
<3> will be cool
<6> dudie: No.
<10> if I do SELECT * FROM user,group and run a mysql_fetch_array, there's no way for me to fetch $row['user.name'] if I didn't alias it in the SQL are there?
<5> you dont get new major versions of software in a ubuntu release, you have to change your release for that (which is easy enough, just change the repositories and hit upgrade)
<10> there's also a group.name
<8> stored procedures
<9> TML: Can you tell me the fallbacks with eval()?
<8> !+eval
<11> If eval() is the answer, you're almost certainly asking the wrong question. -- Rasmus Lerdorf, BDFL of PHP
<3> Scorpmoon: are you talking about creating user defined statements to access data from a selection?
<12> dudie: it's all about whether you can trust the contents of your database or not.
<6> aurora: If you don't go with the new major versions of software, then why not run debian? As I said, well over 90% of Ubuntu packages are exactly the same as what's in Debian (either testing or unstable) at the point that Ubuntu freezes.
<10> hmm, i'm doing SELECT *,user.name as uname,group.name as gname now
<10> there's too many fields to fetch if i'd have to do it otherwise
<10> just trying to limit my sql sentence size
<5> TML, you do get new major versions, but only with a new major release of ubuntu, which is every 6 months or so
<6> Scorpmoon: If you said "user.name as uname", then "user.name" isn't available. It's called uname.
<10> i know
<10> don't think you got my initial question then :)
<12> debian is nothing i'd recommend for a linux newbie, cause, when i was a linux newbie, i tried debian first, and was overwhelmed
<3> yeh, me too
<3> aptitude whooped my ***
<6> et_: See, debian was my first exposure to Linux, and I've never cared for anything else.
<3> :P
<6> So I don't think that generalization is valid
<3> TML: what was your background before using debian the first time?
<6> NET||abuse: Window 95
<6> s/dow/dows/
<3> background ie education, college experience, industry experience
<8> TML Admit it... you know you ask the first girl that would let you play doctor with her to marry you!
<6> NET||abuse: None of the above
<3> TML: what, you were in kindergarden?
<6> Jymmm: And now she's known as Mrs. TML
<6> NET||abuse: No.
<12> TML: i was asked a lot of questions i simply could not answer, like names of chipsets etc
<8> TML =)
<6> et_: It was more than likely written on the piece of hardware in question. At least, I found it to be the case in every debian install I've ever done.
<5> debian was my first too, and the fricking thing couldn't even boot right on my hardware, wouldn't even get to bash, full of bugs!
<5> red hat, mandrake, and even other debian based distro's worked fine
<6> aurora: If other debian based distros worked fine, then it's not debian, it's PEBKAC.
<3> arrrg, reboot, damn windows
<12> TML: i'm not going to open a notebook to install an os ;)
<3> br
<3> brb
<6> et_: On notebooks, I've always been able to find everything I need in the BIOS.
<5> pebkac?
<6> !+PEBKAC
<11> [PEBKAC] Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair
<5> right
<5> i followed the install perfectly, and tried reinstalling multiple times
<5> it was a hardware incompatability
<13> TML: well, i don't doubt that you *can* install debian without prior linux knowledge, i'm just stating that it's easier with other distros
<6> aurora: Then other debian based distros would have suffered the same hardware incompatability
<6> et: And I'm saying I disagree.
<5> TML, just because they're debian based doesn't mean they have the exact same software and configurations... they ARE different distro's
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