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<0> spyro_boy: if you are going to do. idea is great editor.
<1> minDscrm: I'd suggest reading the other sections at that URL I gave you. Good stuff in there. ;)
<2> SHaWF, ah I see.
<0> spyro_boy: you are filling parameters with ctrl+shift+space. it suggest you which variables or constants would fit there
<3> Elazar: That went well, thanks.
<2> SHaWF, well I'm going to be taking computer programming in school next year.
<1> cynic: Um... sure. :P
<3> The var_dumping stuff.
<2> SHaWF, they do java. :)
<0> spyro_boy: programming is not learnt at school. you learn it yourself :)
<4> Elazar, looks like it - i've looked at this before but i obviously need a refresher .. (i'm a beginning php'er)
<0> spyro_boy: i was using eclipse to develop php. but it is so good :(
<0> it is not *
<5> SHaWF: it's better than you think
<1> minDscrm: A lot of the operators are common to languages like Java or C++, but there are a few others that might prove useful.
<0> caffinated: eclipse is good for java. not php
<5> SHaWF: then you don't understand how to use it.
<0> caffinated: :)
<6> I understand how to use it, but it's not much useful if it's slow. Though, if it wasn't slow, I'd probably see it as being useful.
<0> caffinated: at last it is not my way :)
<2> SHaWF, hah yeah.
<1> caffinated: I'd actually tend to agree with SHaWF... I didn't find Eclipse to be particularly well-suited to PHP development. That's just my opinion, though. I could be wrong.
<2> SHaWF, I learned PHP all by myself.
<2> :)
<5> SHaWF: that's fairly common though, considering most do not use version control, or any of the things that make eclipse worthwhile.
<0> spyro_boy: it had to
<5> SHaWF: from a professional developer's point of view though, eclipse does things that the toy editors other people use do not.
<0> caffinated: i am using tortouise cvs for versioning
<6> Bleh, I never liked those GUI tools for versioning.
<3> TextMate, woo!
<5> SHaWF: tortoise is ok, but even it doesn't do what eclipse does.
<0> caffinated: tortouise is great. i am using totalcommander because
<0> going to try phpdesigner
<5> there are two (and only two) worthwhile php-centric editor
<5> s
<6> I hate <programming language> centric editors :)
<6> caffinated: ZDE and Eclipse, you say?
<5> zend IDE, and phped
<1> jEdit is alright. (jedit.org)
<5> eclipse is not language centric
<1> Has syntax highlighting and whatnot.
<6> Well, no.
<2> SHaWF, 'it had to' what?
<0> i prefer language centric
<2> SHaWF, 'I had to', maybe?
<1> caffinated: Eclipse isn't language-centric, but it certainly isn't unbiased either. :P
<5> SHaWF: which is a drawback when you have to work with more than one language
<6> It's a platform, but phpeclipse is PHP-centric, fullfilling the platform with PHP-specific things.
<5> Elazar: it's a platform, it's not capable of bias.
<0> caffinated: because language specific IDE can give me language specific options
<2> notepad2 can be emulated in linux. No OS switching problems here. :D
<6> I work with Python and Ruby, so I tend to dislike language centric editors. I prefer jEdit or Kate.
<0> caffinated: if i am going to non language centric then notepad++ is fine enough
<7> so i'm trying to push my output before the script is complete. will ob_flush work?
<0> kuja: vim is better :)
<1> caffinated: It's a platform with an IDE as its main project, and it's biased toward Java.
<5> vim is a piece of ****
<1> kuja: Kate?
<1> caffinated: vim is good for quick and dirty stuff.
<6> vim is like, "wtf?"
<0> Elazar: kde
<5> the only thing it's good for is pumping up your ego
<6> Elazar: Kate is a Qt-based editor.
<0> caffinated: then you do not know to use vim
<1> SHaWF, kuja: Ah, gotcha. I only use Linux in a server environment, so...
<5> SHaWF: as a point of fact, i do. probably better than you do.
<6> caffinated: I agree, being able to do things from the command line that you can't do on a GUI is only an advantage when you're not working on a GUI.
<6> s/you can't/you can/
<0> i can do on console and gui. and i prefer console.
<6> I only use the console in which I can do things faster.
<6> vim is not one of those things for me.
<7> i've read that you need to use flush(); ob_flush(); to get any results. does anyone know about this? why do i have to call both?
<0> i edit faster in vim then nano
<0> than *
<5> SHaWF: that would be because neither is really conductive to programming.
<0> caffinated: what distro?
<8> wow, didn't I pick a time ... hey caffinated :)
<5> SHaWF: I don't see how distro has anything to do with it.
<5> GwaiLo: haha, you be quiet ;)
<0> caffinated: i am using gentoo. and it does patches and add extras automatically for you
<6> GwaiLo: Don't say a word :)
<0> caffinated: i used vim on suse and redhat. just black and white
<5> SHaWF: and what does that have to do with anything?
<0> caffinated: on gentoo. colorful
<0> caffinated: with nice syntax highlighting
<0> caffinated: and smart
<8> SHaWF: that's hardly distro specific.
<5> SHaWF: if all you want out of an editor, is syntax highlighting, you can use virtually anything.
<8> SHaWF: yeah, you could use what caffinated does...
<5> any editor worth it's salt will support that feature.
<8> Microsoft Word...
<5> GwaiLo: rogfl
<1> zeasier: "flush() has no effect on the buffering scheme of your webserver or the browser on the client side. Thus you need to call both ob_flush() and flush() to flush the output buffers." --http://php.net/flush
<5> GwaiLo: my secret is out!
<8> caffinated: don't worry, I didn't mention that you double space your code to make it look like you've written more =P
<6> Good thing no one knows I use MS Word 95! :D
<7> Elazar: that's what i've read, but the comments below use them in a random order
<0> thanks for IDE suggestions
<5> GwaiLo: actually, since I started writing ruby, you really do have to add spaces if you want it to look bloated like php ;)
<8> caffinated: hehe
<8> caffinated: mind a PM ?
<5> sure
<6> Meh, Ruby is naturally beautiful, unless you start thinking Ruby is Perl.
<6> Which is possible :)
<7> Elazar: also if flush has not effect, why use it at all? why not just use ob_flush?
<9> yesgg/mc-start
<9> I am supremely intelligent
<0> why ruby?!
<7> in short i'm confused about the differences between flush and ob_flush and why you need both of them
<1> zeasier: Beyond what's in the docs, I can't really say. I've never had to use them.
<0> zeasier: you need to use ob_flush if you are using output buffer
<5> SHaWF: if you have to ask why, then you either a) do not understand OOP, or b) have never used ruby or c) all of the above
<7> SHaWF: are you talking about a buffer in php or in the http server?
<1> caffinated: You've used Ruby for web development before?
<0> python and java is better for oop
<0> i check option (b)
<5> Elazar: I work for a corporation that uses ruby for web programming.
<0> zeasier: ob_ is php buffered i know.
<1> caffinated: With Rails, I ***ume?
<5> Elazar: when required.
<1> caffinated: mod_ruby, right?
<7> SHaWF: so if you've never called ob_start you can get away with just flush?
<5> Elazar: is this 20 questions thing going somewhere? no, we use lighttpd and fastcgi.
<1> caffinated: Not in particular, just curious. I've done a little looking at Ruby and like the look of the language, but haven't used it for web development before.
<0> zeasier: http://tr2.php.net/ob_flush
<0> ob_flush discards ob
<0> ob contents *
<5> Elazar: the biggest mistake people make with ruby/rails is that they try to code it like php, or java.
<0> caffinated: just i want to know one thing. is it fast for development?
<7> SHaWF: does php always have an output buffer?
<5> SHaWF: yes.
<0> caffinated: then i'll look to it
<1> caffinated: Well, I only got as far as figuring out that a Rails installation anywhere other than the root of a domain wasn't worth the trouble.
<0> zeasier: no. you have to call ob_start
<5> Elazar: that's because you don't understand how rails works.
<5> a rails project is an application server, it's not like how php works.
<1> caffinated: So basically what you're telling me is, if I don't have access to the root path of a domain, then Rails isn't for me?
<5> what i'm saying is that all requests go to the same input.
<5> the controller is what decides what to serve.
<1> caffinated: And that has what to do with installations to places other than the root path of a domain being a pain in the wrong place?
<9> what an exciting and pointless discussion
<1> p0windah: Seems to be ending up that way, yeah.
<9> atleast one of you make some personal insults..
<5> Elazar: it means that all it takes is a configuration change to point to the right project. it doesn't have to be in any particular location
<5> p0windah: nobody is forcing you to be here
<9> caffinated: you either, your point ?
<7> frick, i keep seg faulting php 5.0. anyone else have trouble with it?
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