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<0> so do i. they're much cleaner in templates
<1> i know wolfpaws... but <?= is such a good one... why'd that one have to goo too?
<2> and you can almost always override minor config like that w/ .htaccess
<3> <? ?> is already used by xml is why
<4> Wolfpaws: Do you reccomend using ?> or not at the end of the file. I know it's not required
<5> http://pastebin.com/753650 => this ok?
<6> TestiCalls: short tags should never, *ever* be in existance, if you ask me.
<1> laff
<1> k
<6> McFly: Always.
<0> they should be replaced instead of removed if xml incompatibility is a problem
<7> one question if i want to know the difference between 2 hours, let say, how much hours there are between 11PM and 9AM, ok i get the seconds between them, how do i print "X hours"?
<3> replaced?
<3> with?
<6> Akuma_: They have replacement... <?php .
<2> but for($i=0; $i<count($array); $i++) would only work for numerated keys, would is there a better way to do this like array_shift kind of stuff
<6> *sigh*
<3> ! +repeat
<6> cdizzle: php.net/forach
<3> i cn't do it
<4> two repeats at once, nice
<6> er
<8> huh why isn't it recommended to do ?> I saw someone say it wasn't recommended
<3> Wolfpaws you do it
<6> cdizzle: php.net/foreach
<0> but <?= is a lot more convenient, clean and readable than <?php echo
<6> cythrawll: Do what?
<3> "it"
<6> Akuma_: no it isn't
<0> in templates, for me it is
<0> templates are full of echos otherwise, its horrible
<2> I agree w/ akuma_ I break out of php ?> and have a bunch of html, the <?=$values and stuff?>
<6> cythrawll: Any good reason, why?
<3> do you need one?
<6> cythrawll: um... yes?
<3> well nm then, geez
<7> maldita mierda
<6> I have an urge for a good explanation, why I should use or do something
<3> TheNinthCut, it is recommended to do ?> but not <?
<0> in any case, they sure are better than smarty {}-type tags
<3> :p
<9> hello
<9> which php accelerator do you people think is the best?
<3> depends? you got cash?
<9> no cash :) and only open source
<3> eaccelerater is a good free one
<6> spudse: Google for benchmarks
<10> APC
<11> campaign"
<9> Wolfpaws, I just want some peoples opinions
<10> spudse, http://pecl.php.net/package/APC
<10> spudse, at the moment APC is the best I think
<12> the boolean NOT is in php?
<6> spudse: just think with your head and try on your own. That's my oppinion
<9> bebo, it is ! in php :)
<9> Wolfpaws, thanks for your opinion
<1> spudse, look at Zend's
<1> welcome Akuma_ :)
<0> TestiCalls: although if its really scheduled for deletion, i think we've already lost
<3> Zend's cost $
<1> lol, right
<0> ... or we gotta keep using php 5.* foreever
<1> true
<9> Maarten, do you consider APC better that eaccelerator ?
<1> all hail php5!
<1> ;0
<6> Bah... PYthon
<3> Wolfpaws, where is the scedule deletion
<9> But also something is, I need to be able to apt-get it and work on a MIPS processor
<6> cythrawll: A what?
<3> cuz my version of the rumor <?= was staying
<3> reference
<0> or maybe switch to JSP/RoR ?
<6> IT's kicked out in CVS
<6> Akuma_: Django all the way
<0> yeah i need to learn python and Django... or that other one.. turbo somethibng
<2> ok for doing stripslashes recursiveley, i have a function stripslashes_recursive, i do if(get_magic_quotes_gpc()) { $_GET = stripslashes_recursive($_GET); } should i be doing $_GET = stripslashes_recursive(&$_GET); so it doesnt make a copy?
<13> I just want to make a simple website, but I'm totally confused where to start with, I try to copy some other site, but then fail to understand they way they have designed their css, etc. how do I actually make a start?
<6> turbogears? TG is cool :)
<0> but for now, php's going well for me
<2> or in that case would i just do stripslashes_recursive(&$_GET);
<13> I get confused, how do I begin :(
<6> Luckys: Google for tutuorials
<13> Wolfpaws, but where to start, thats my whole confusion
<0> Luckys: html css
<13> what to learn first, then second, then third
<2> html
<2> then css
<2> then javascript
<2> then php
<0> 1) html 2) css 3) php 4) js
<13> ok, little bit I started understanding php, and now again I'm lost :(
<6> !+enter
<0> hmm
<14> Don't use the enter key as punctuation. Think in complete thoughts, then type.
<9> I would learn html and css at the same time
<9> because your cant do proper html without css
<2> you can do proper html w/o css
<13> so 1. HTML, 2. CSS, 3. PHP, 4.JS ?
<9> Luckys, I give you one advice, do not use Frontpage (or Dreamweaver)
<6> spudse: There was HTML Waaaaaaay before CSS
<9> Wolfpaws: this is 2006
<13> spudse, I've just started using Dreamweaver
<6> spudse: That's why your statement is false
<9> Luckys, I would suggest to learn to code in a texteditor as well. So you really starting to understand how html really works
<6> DW iz da crap
<13> spudse, so what exact sequence show I follow, and roughly like what important things I should learn first to get going, at least that I can see something if you can advice
<0> Luckys: actually, make sure your editor has good color coding and error checking; html doesnt output errors, so its a pain to debug
<13> Akuma_, you are right
<6> no it isn't... HTML is simple... CSS is harder
<6> <begintag></endtag> <-- XHTML
<13> but the how much time I should allocate to learn, towards actually required things, in HTML , CSS and JS
<3> that doesn't mean anything
<3> cuz i think they did it in php 5 too at one point
<15> can you not do multiple queries separated by semicolons when you do mysql_query () ?
<13> spudse, Akuma_ ?
<6> Tenshi: you can't do multiple queries fith mysql_query
<0> Luckys: didnt get your question
<2> and a follow up to the question about stripslashes recursively, after i stripslashes on _GET, _POST, and _COOKIE, and want to do the same w/ _REQUEST would it be more efficient to array_merge gpc or to stripslashes recursive on _REQUEST as well
<6> Luckys: Begin with #web
<15> Wolfpaws, is there an alternative that will let me do multiple queries?
<6> Tenshi: in mysql_, I don't think so... There is in mysqli_
<15> kon, will look
<15> thanks
<16> Tenshi, what?
<13> Akuma_, I meant, howdo I draw an outline as to what I shoud know impotantly to get myself going, instead of learning each and everything of HTML, CSS and JS, something which make me see things happening in a good way, and as to roughly what I should learn and how much time I should spend behind that
<15> kon, sorry ... I was trying to say "K" ... but autocomplete keeps biting me in the butt :(
<16> heheh, np then
<17> re
<6> Luckys: Go to #web. Your questions aren't connected to ##php.
<13> :(
<9> Luckys, also make sure you use both Firefox and Internet Explorer to check the sites
<2> and a follow up to the question about stripslashes recursively, after i stripslashes on _GET, _POST, and _COOKIE, and want to do the same w/ _REQUEST would it be more efficient to array_merge gpc or to stripslashes recursive on _REQUEST as well
<9> you make
<18> Luckys: trike
<13> _thom_, ?
<9> lol
<17> hei dudes if i need to accept with php various connection from other clients
<2> Luckys also try them w/ opera
<9> _thom_: my hilfiger
<17> i need to a technique called process forking
<6> php.net/pcntl_fork
<18> My outline of web 2.0 agreeable in a most harmonious fashion to merge end user client integration with feng shui to learnenate me with muchly web technologies!
<19> ...
<9> Luckys, If you don't aspect to create great site, you can learn to write html in one week
<6> _thom_: *blink*
<19> _thom_ how many times do i have to tell you, the lead paint chips are NOT FOOD
<17> Wolfpaws sorry on windows what i need to to do...
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