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<0> GumbyBRAIN: Your brethren **** donkey penis.
<1> ew73: It will ****, and i have a penis.
<2> I fed nietzsche into mine, it's authoritatively non-sensical now
<0> Yes. I'm feeding a local megahal Roughing It, Sense and Sensibility, Pride and Prejudice, War and Peace, The Art of War.
<2> go gutenberg
<0> Oh, and Stoker's Dracula. :)
<0> gutenberg++
<3> Feed all of gutenberg in to it.
<4> how about the 700MB "greatest hits" collection instead :P
<3> NOW. i DEMAND IT ALL.
<3> Er, yes, time for sleep.
<3> Bye bye.
<2> that might take a bit of ram
<2> but it ain't my ram.. so I'm with buu
<2> do the whole goddamn thing!
<5> gutenberg is *big*
<0> gutenberg > CD
<5> collision detection?
<0> No, 700 megs.
<5> ah
<6> rqBot: insult buu
<7> buu: your mom so fat and her jeans so tight, when she farts it looks like a rat running down her leg
<6> hahah that's my favorite :)
<8> ew
<0> I swear to god. If one more bug tries to land on my monitor, I'm fumigating the god damned house.
<1> what's wrong with a gumbybrain.
<9> what sounds better, "IT Director," or "IT Manager?"
<10> Geek Herder.
<9> hmmmm
<9> I'll give that one some thought
<0> q[ender]: 'Manager' sounds more umph-y on a resume.
<9> oooh, does it?
<10> a Director > a Manager tbh.
<0> Director usually has more know-how, but a Manager means someone liked you and promoted you.
<9> ew73, what do you mean by "umph-y"
<9> ooooh, ok
<9> director it is then
<10> a director implies boardroom dude.
<9> ****in' managers
<10> a manager is one up from a pleb >:)
<9> hmmm... but maybe I wanna be a pleb
<0> It's all about balancing salary against implied responsiblity.
<10> director > manager > peon.
<9> which is less likely to be a ****head?
<11> Director is a senior position and implies policy making. Manager is an operations oriented title.
<10> if we are to start making sweeping generalisations, the director probably.
<9> ((sweeping generalizations)++
<0> Director <---> Manager
<0> +--Pleb
<10> a). he is on the golf course with his boardroom buddies, going "Hey, look at meh blackberry";
<9> haha
<9> those days are over for me
<9> company won't pay for PDAs anymore
<10> b). he has been anally-raped by Bill Gates.
<12> Hi. I'm having a litle trouble trying to specify file permissions for Log::Dispatch::FileRotate to use when creating it's log files
<9> well, Bill _is_ pretty cute
<0> q[ender]: Oh my god, no he's not.
<9> that's fantastic.
<12> I want permissions of 644. So I tried setting it to 0644, but end up with files: --w----r-T
<10> it's always better to be the 'daddy' tbh.
<9> ew73, i know but i'm trying to delude myself
<12> it's something to do with the fact that I am p***ing it as a string
<0> Gates is probably totally a bottom in the gay *** dungeons.
<12> but don't really understand what I'm supposed to use to get it to create files with 644
<10> 644 perhaps.
<12> 644 ends up with: ----------
<5> is it permisions or a umask you're setting tkp ?
<12> permissions
<12> log4perl.appender.Shop.permissions = 0644
<5> that's not what I asked. It could contain elephants and still be called that :)
<9> ok, now my other duties are as the "lead" web developer here. by "lead" i mean the only other guy who touches the site still uses nasty tables and font tags.
<0> q[ender]: Fire him.
<12> f the file does not already exist, the permissions that it should be created with. Optional. The argument p***ed must be a valid octal value, such as 0600 or the constants available from Fcntl, like S_IRUSR|S_IWUSR.
<9> ew73, it's not his fault
<9> ew73, he's not really a web dev
<0> q[ender]: Using <font> is always the user's fault.
<12> so as far as I know, it is permissions
<13> q[ender] makes me think of 'gender'
<5> tkp: quoting it doesn't help, like "0644"?
<0> q[ender]: I don't care. Get a book on CSS. Make sure it's published in *this* decade and you won't have issues like <font>.
<9> ew73, I bought him a book. He moved to FL and didn't take it with him :)
<0> q[ender]: Ie, fire him.
<9> ew73, dude, he's not *really* a web developer
<0> q[ender]: Then forbid him from touching the website.
<14> i just looked at Log::Dispatch::FileRotate on CPAN - there's no documentation of a "permission" attribute
<0> odrm: Or in Log::Dispatch, either.
<9> ew73, he only touches ancient stuff that needs to be thrown away in the future anyway
<12> I was looking in http://search.cpan.org/~drolsky/Log-Dispatch-2.11/lib/Log/Dispatch/File.pm
<15> tkp's url is at http://xrl.us/jsez
<9> so, for my other title, "Lead Web Developer," "Senior Web Developer," "Web Monkey?"
<9> "Webbastard"
<0> tkp: Did you try reading all of the documentation?
<0> Like the part where it said:
<0> See "chmod" in perlfunc for more on potential traps when p***ing octal values around. Most importantly, remember that if you p*** a string that looks like an octal value, like this:
<0> my $mode = '0644';
<0> Then the resulting file will end up with permissions like this:
<0> --w----r-T
<0> which is probably not what you want.
<12> I did, yes.
<0> ..and did you read the 'chmod' section in perlfunc?
<12> and I have read the docs it refers to, but am still a little confused
<10> log4perl.appender.Shop.permissions = oct('0644');
<12> was hopeing someone here had encountered the problem and could help me on my way
<5> this log4perl thing just seems to get worse and worse the more I think of it :-/
<10> guessing from what i just read in that 'chmod' caveat doc.
<10> eval: oct('0644');
<16> BinGOs: Return: 420
<0> duuude
<0> you said 420
<12> well I am configuring it from startup.pl and the configuration is defined in an array: my $conf = q(...
<10> the trick seems to be not to quote it.
<0> BinGOs: Yeah.
<0> Cause you know,
<0> perldoc -f chmod says:
<0> '0644 is ok, "0644" is not.'
<5> so when I said try "0644" I was talking rubbish? yay!
<0> In fact, the line right above it has the word "not" underlined when saying, "the value should not be a string"
<12> hmm. How can I not quote it when it is being defined like my $conf = q(....... log4perl.appender.Shop.permissions = 0644 ...);
<6> w00t
<12> I have no quotes in there... as you can see
<6> i added nickserv support to rqBot :)
<14> where does the $conf = q( ... ) bit come in?
<12> I define the configeration in a variable, which then gets po***ed to Log::Log4perl->init( \$conf );
<12> from the Log4perl POD
<12> I have however just found another way to accomplish it: which is to directly set the umod before calling init(): umask oct('0020'); Log::Log4perl->init( \$conf );
<5> well *that* was exciting, it just fixed itself.
<12> thanks for your help. I guess I should have looked a little harder first
<10> yay.
<7> gumbybrain is a homo
<1> rqBot: more naturally a language with a http://search.cpan.org/~colink/statistics-descriptive-2.6/linux-image-2.6.. Needs to be calling a vote in the movie.
<7> GumbyBRAIN: I do not understand.
<5> hmm, I wonder if it's finally time for RDBMs to die. tags and RDF and LDAP all seem to use very, very useful alternative models
<8> if only they were faster than a snail turd
<10> would you care to log to LDAP
<10> integral: rolled a six!
<8> woohoo! fourteen!
<5> I don't like logging to RDBMs either, since I have two types of log entries: Foos and Bars,m they have different fields! I can't put them all in one table! There's no tuple subtyping!
<17> integral: I don't see how tags are particularly useful for structured data
<10> Hey, dude, where's my terminal!
<0> Fake it! Serialize a perl hash and stick it in a BLOB field!
<5> I don't see how RDBMs are useful for really structured data
<5> and with integrated full-text searching obviously
<17> I don't see how they aren't useful...
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