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<0> dazjorz: Why?
<1> dabreegster: No x-window or anything, just that
<2> cool
<3> StevenR: I've even got networking working.
<2> BinGOs: from qemu?
<3> aye.
<0> dazjorz: Haha. Couldn't kill it from another VT?
<1> dabreegster: No idea how to access the help function...
<2> BinGOs: cool :)...i only had a very brief play with it
<0> BinGOs: We're a village? Can we burn ourselves down?
<1> dabreegster: Yeah, that's what I eventually did - but it toke me a while to get that idea in all the panic. ;)
<1> dabreegster: if VT means virtual terminal - no, I was actually _behind_ it, I had only 6 TTY's
<4> It takes a village to ...err... something... a buu.
<0> dazjorz: It's not instinctive to use another shell? First day with the system?
<3> pesky hurd only comes with emacs as an editor surprisingly enough.
<1> dabreegster: Yeah, usually it is
<5> it takes a village to villify
<1> dabreegster: In the time I had that keyboard (with the nonworking ctrl), I had to close much programs that way.
<1> dabreegster: I also remember being unable to get out of a screen.
<0> dazjorz: A real hardware terminal? Wow. I've been looking for one of those for nostalgia.
<6> buu
<0> dazjorz: Nobody was around to help?
<1> dabreegster: All on my own. ;)
<7> arubin-: Where are you hiding?
<1> dabreegster: I hated emacs after that
<6> buu: I'm in the Higher Order Perl talk
<6> back row
<0> buu: I've always meant to ask you. Why are you named after an anime character?
<7> dabreegster: I'm not.
<5> I was named after Abraham Lincoln.
<5> In fact, everyone currently alive was. :)
<7> merlyn: Any idea where that drforr fellow is?
<0> buu: OK. Well, google your name and consider one's first impression after looking at the results.
<7> dabreegster: Well, yes, I know. This is an unfortunate coincidence.
<0> buu: Did you just make a random noise with most of your mouth and write it down? That's what I did, sort of.
<7> dabreegster: I think it was an acronym.
<0> buu: Ooh! For what? Buu Ultra Undead?
<7> Probably not, no.
<7> heh
<5> there's probably a precise way to calculate that
<7> merlyn: There is apparently
<0> Cause I'm getting really low values for all of my new roll() test cases. Oh well, if nobody does much damage, the world will be a peaceful place.
<8> Is it possible to have perl open a file and substitute a line in that file without having to create a temp file?
<7> tkup: Only if you don't change the number of bytes in the file.
<5> tkup - yes, everything is possible
<9> tkup: : of course
<5> does having it all in memory count as a temp file?
<1> Umm...
<5> But yes, you can use Tie::File, which doesn't create a second file
<1> I want to put a bit of code on a HTML page, while I want that Dreamweaver can still use the file as a HTML file
<9> tkup: you can store your data for example in memory and then replace the line
<1> would you kill me if I would use PHP?
<10> use one of those complicated template system thingies
<7> Hello beth!
<9> dazjorz: for example embperl has options for that
<8> buu, why is there such a limitation?
<9> but why use dreamweaver anyway when jEdit is available :)
<1> Yeah, I know and I've looked into it, but the options are far more limited than PHP
<8> merlyn, is there a link where I can read about replacing lines in files? I'm not able to picture it
<7> tkup: If you have to ask, you won't understand the answer.
<5> tkup - "perldoc Tie::File"
<11> Tie::File. To access this perldoc please type, at a command line, 'perldoc Tie::File'. You may also find it at http://perldoc.perl.org/Tie/File.html
<8> merlyn, thanks
<9> dazjorz: what options are far more limited?
<1> realmerx: It's a lot of work for something that I can do in one minute
<1> just rename the file to .php and I can add code
<1> I can just add code to use a perl backend to do swtuff
<1> stuff*
<8> buu, I find it interesting that you underestimate my ability to understand.
<9> dazjorz: I do not understand what options you refer to - dreamweavers, embperl?
<12> tkup: it's not really that interesting. It's a normal ***umption based on years of experience.
<1> realmerx: I just want to be able to embed some Perl code in a HTML page, without having to make the whole page a Perl script with lots of heredocs
<13> Hrm, i thought BEGINS{} were excecute again if something was used twice
<12> EvanCarroll: eh?
<5> EvanCarroll - do you bother reading at all? or do you just guess at things a lot?
<8> PerlJam, for most, cockiness is a sign of decline. "double the pride, twice the fall."
<8> was it star wars. damn I don't remember :)
<5> was what star wars?
<8> the quote
<5> that line is not from star wars
<12> tkup: Well, arrogance is par for the course around here.
<5> unless you're including the three crappy ones
<5> in which case, I wouldn't know or care. :)
<8> ok it's "Twice the pride, double the fall".
<8> anyway, back to work
<14> how do you read a file and ***ign a line to a variable with perl ?
<0> open FOO, "<foo"; then get the line. Is it the first? Is it one matching a pattern?
<0> And don't forget to or die after open.
<14> open(IN, "< input.txt") or die "cant open input file: $!";
<14> ok what is the $! for ?
<0> OK. Which line do you want to get?
<14> the first line in my test file
<0> That's the error. perldoc perlvar
<11> perlvar - Perl predefined variables. To access this perldoc please type, at a command line, 'perldoc perlvar'. You may also find it at http://perldoc.perl.org/perlvar.html
<14> later i will have to edit it to take a line matching a pattern
<14> but one step at a time...
<0> So my $x = <IN>;
<0> Later, loop through and match. while (<IN>) { if (m/pattern/) { $x = $_; last; } } But there might be more efficent ways.
<13> merlyn: Go kill yourself.
<14> what is $_ ?
<15> Soul_keeper, perldoc perlvar
<11> perlvar - Perl predefined variables. To access this perldoc please type, at a command line, 'perldoc perlvar'. You may also find it at http://perldoc.perl.org/perlvar.html
<0> The current variable in a loop. Unless you say foreach my $current () {}
<15> Soul_keeper, that will tell you about all of perl's predefined variables
<16> What does this "$|++;" do?
<15> jbalcomb, it increments $|
<13> lol
<15> somewhere later, you'll probably see a $|--
<16> q[ender]: =)
<16> What is $|?
<15> perldoc perlvar =P
<15> huzzah!
<14> that site times out
<13> q[ender]: I think most of the time buffering is turned off liek that, it is done so for the whole duration
<15> EvanCarroll, tell that to jbalcomb
<15> Soul_keeper, use the perldoc on your system
<15> Soul_keeper, perldoc is part of perl
<16> q[ender] I don't have perldoc installed. :(
<14> what is it ?
<17> jbalcomb: consult your distroes package manager
<15> jbalcomb, well then... install it :)
<17> or use google
<14> yeah
<15> Soul_keeper, perl's documentation, which is quite stellar
<13> perldoc vs buffering -- i suppose they saved a few chars
<14> i tell noobs that all the time torbjorn
<18> GLUE
<18> I want gluue
<15> blondie, perl makes great blue. just mix in a little horse hoof or something
<16> haha.. yeah, see I came here because reading the doc only changes my question to "What does that mean?"
<18> no, that's against my ethicas
<18> -a
<15> Soul_keeper, what OS are you using?
<14> linux
<15> ok then
<14> i got perldoc installed
<15> at a console, type perldoc perldoc
<15> and also read perldoc perlvar
<15> perlvar will tell you what $_ is
<14> it ain't telling me what $_ is
<15> sure it is
<0> Soul_keeper: If you're in less, type /\$_
<16> It sure will and then you will wonder what the explanation means...
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