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<0> peterS: sausage fest!
<1> rindolf.
<2> dngor?
<3> ?
<4> YAAK0V0V
<5> how do I turn off this tainting crap so my suid script will actually work ?
<2> dngor: sub yellow { "we all live" };
<0> CoffeeIV: stop using that module
<0> or pragma
<2> Hello, buu.
<3> Ough!
<1> CoffeeIV: the tainting crap is there for a reason, surely you must know that. you don't turn it off, you fix your code
<4> haha
<6> CoffeeIV: or untaint your input
<7> so did anyone listen to the audio at http://www.stonehenge.com/pic/WC/
<0> tainting just gets in the way
<7> apparently, that wasn't used at OSCON
<7> dammit... I put hard work into that.
<4> I'll listen to it, just for you.
<0> ".. so that's why you shouldn't use nesnted curly brackets"
<0> <insert claps>
<4> Is that background music?
<5> I don't have -T on the #!/usr/bin/perl line, and the word "taint" appears no where in my script or the .pm file it uses. How do I turn it off ? ( I am aware of the reasons for using it, and if I can get this working at all I'll turn it back on when I know exactly what variable to untaint or another way to do it)
<8> CoffeeIV: It is automatically turned on when running setuid or setgid.
<4> merlyn: It was very cute.
<5> I see
<7> thanks
<4> =]
<4> In a good way.
<9> I'm trying to install Test::Cl*** via CPAN, and the tests are failing! How ironic is that?
<10> Test::Cl*** is rad
<11> I've set up http://cms.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page - a MediaWiki for CMSes, web frameworks, and web devel in general.
<5> Is Taint:Runtime the only way to force tainting off ?
<11> Feel free to populate it with your own stuff.
<12> o.O
<12> haha
<13> gah.
<12> hey friedo :)
<7> & somewhere between sicily and naples (italy) on geekcruise #33
<14> geek
<11> merlyn: http://shlomif.livejournal.com/11004.html - I'd like to know what you think.
<11> Chris62vw: cruise!
<14> hehe
<11> Geek Cruise - the geekier brother of Tom Cruise.
<11> perlbot: cms wiki is http://cms.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
<15> added cms wiki to the database
<11> OK, I think I'll read some news and write a use.perl.org or LJ blog entry.
<11> I think therefore I blog.
<14> rindolf, I am reading your lj post and: I don't think rich people/big businesses should give money to hackers
<14> hackers do what they do because they find/gain utility by doing so
<10> Chris62vw: indeed. they should give money to ME.
<14> if hackers do what they do without donations, then there is no incentive for anyone to donate
<14> friedo, let's at least split it, greedy bastard!
<10> NO WAY STFU
<14> it's okay; I'm already rich, and I'm keeping my monies!
<12> yeah right
<14> okay, maybe I'm not
<10> Daveman: he's totally loaded. He lives in Vegas and plays the slots all day.
<12> ...
<14> rindolf, besides, how would the supply of patronage affect the supply of these hackers?
<12> in otherwords he's broke?
<12> shush friedo :p
<10> no, man! he has a SYSTEM!
<12> fix this dtd schema!
<14> I just double my money until I win, and then cut it by 1/1.9384
<16> anyone ever do raid10 with software raid? I know this is the wrong channel
<14> nope
<14> rindolf, lastly, if you are giving your software away, that pretty much shows how much it is worth :-) no offense of course
<11> Chris62vw: well, I'm giving my software away, because I feel that this way it would be of the most use to anyone else.
<11> Chris62vw: or I'm bound to by the GPL.
<14> rindolf, if you could, would you sell it for money, enough money to make you well off?
<11> Chris62vw: but even many companies are giving their software away.
<14> that is, if you kept selling your software, you would be well off...
<14> rindolf, I guess the question is: what would ever motivate rich people/big companies from giving patronate to you or those like you?
<11> Chris62vw: if I have a good idea for a software that can be sold, then I may sell it.
<14> you give away your software. they already can obtain your software if they want
<14> rindolf, cool
<11> Chris62vw: same as the Renaissance patrons were motivated.
<13> hrm, with an IDE cable does it matter which connectors the master and slave are plugged into?
<11> Chris62vw: I can for example credit them in my inventions.
<14> rindolf, what value is THAT to anyone?
<11> And like I said I can try to achieve a self-patronage of sorts.
<14> I would say none, because patronage is not already happening
<11> Chris62vw: it happened before.
<14> well, sure, but not on a wide scale, right?
<11> Chris62vw: did you also read the comments?
<14> rindolf, yes, they are on my browser right now
<11> Chris62vw: OK.
<14> basically, you say patronage would give you more time to do creative things OF VALUE
<14> OF VALUE is questionable
<14> if they were valuable to anyone, you would be paid for the... things :-)
<14> all I am trying to point out is that economics would have already kicked in if patronate were to happen. that is what I believe
<11> Chris62vw: I disagree.
<11> Chris62vw: I've downloaded a lot of things from value from the Internet: FOSS, books, etc.
<11> Chris62vw: I didn't pay for them.
<14> exactly
<14> :-)
<11> But they are things of value.
<14> right
<14> most things I have downloaded for free, well, I would not have paid for them
<14> which is why I never pay for anything I get online
<11> There's a difference between how much a thing is worth and how much money the producer gets in return.
<14> right
<11> I think Tesla sold his Electrical Supply business for 1 million USD. It was worth much more.
<17> we need a union
<14> rindolf, sorry, on the phone
<18> perl would be worth the money
<18> as long as CPAN was free:)
<18> what if CPAN was like itunes...
<18> weird
<18> what if it was likt itunes but donation style
<17> looking up to people like Gates, Ellison, Jobs etc... to show how much money you can make in the computer/software industry is like athletic kids looking up to pro basketball players. It's just never going to happen for %99.99+
<11> Hi mjl69
<17> hiQ
<19> hi rindolf
<17> hi
<11> Hi tybalt89
<17> hi rindolf and tybalt89
<14> rindolf, okay, I'm back. I have a question then
<20> where do i place module files?
<20> (linux)
<14> rindolf, ***uming it is in the interest of companies to offer patronage, why isn't it happening on a large scale? I don't see it happening
<12> HOLY ****
<12> LOOK BEHIND YOU DAVEMAN, THE SKY IS EXPLODING AGAIN!
<12> Khisanth, heh
<20> can someone please help?
<20> where do i put perl modules
<21> fiendskull9: Anywhere in your @INC
<20> wheres me @INC
<20> i just started learning perl last night
<21> fiendskull9: perl -e 'print join "\n", @INC'
<22> time for the remedial cl***
<21> You could also use lib "path" for quick things.
<20> ok
<20> /usr/lib/per15?
<21> Probably perl5.
<19> perl -V show @INC
<11> Chris62vw: well, I read a story about a certain Linux kernel developer that has been sponsored by a company that makes NFS-based embedded products to help maintain the Linux kernel NFS stack.
<11> Chris62vw: and they still give him enough freedom for doing other things.
<11> Chris62vw: it was just a random idea I had, which seems to have some appeal.
<18> fiendskull9: read
<11> I mean that sponsorship thing.
<11> fiendskull9: good luck.
<11> Hi jdv79
<20> thanks guys
<18> fiendskull9: learn.perl.org, perldoc perldoc
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