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<0> Hmmm... Konqueror has strange problems with my DNS setup.
<0> It's better in Firefox.
<0> merlyn: you know, I've been editing the Perl page in the Hebrew wikipedia.
<0> merlyn: I translated some stuff from the English page.
<0> merlyn: some of these things were edited. :-)
<1> rindolf: and for those who may make a small note. if you have problems setting GID... Always set POSIX::setgid(5000); before POSIX::setuid(5000); (This includes if you do it straight from C code)
<2> It's amazing how a simple TODO list for the next version of a project can turn into 2 pages of CHANGELOG items
<3> anyone know of a perl module that could allow me to check my mail from a server that requires SSL authentication?
<0> merlyn: for example when I said "perl 3 added support for handling binary date" it was changed to "perl 3 added support for handline binary data (as opposed to textual data)".
<0> merlyn: sort of reminds me of the Microsoft IPod joke.
<0> sleeper: I don't know, but maybe you can delegate this to fetchmail.
<0> I'm sure fetchmail can.
<0> dabreegster: "the number of items on a project's to-do list always grows or remains constant."
<2> rindolf: Indeed. Subproblems arrive easily.
<3> oh is there a perl module fetchmail?
<4> Hmm.
<3> I was using POP3
<5> Either it always grows, or it remains constant.
<3> but Net::POP3 does not allow for SSL
<6> is there some module out there that can really quickly give a fairly unique string given an input hash?
<2> Grows, usually.
<6> (I want a hashing function f(x) -> y where x is a deep data structure, and y is a string)
<5> Deep doodoo structure.
<0> dabreegster: well not necessarily sub-problems. Features beget more features.
<5> Toad: Storable::nfreeze()
<2> Toad: I would say something like md5sum Data::Dumper's output, but that's not fast
<0> dngor: yo! Are you going to YAPC::NA?
<6> yea, Data::Dumper is slow as can be
<0> dngor: will Google sponsor it?
<6> Storable isn't super fast either :-/
<2> rindolf: How can nearby monsters be active with no line of sight? How can line of sight be implemented without map layers?
<0> An IBM engineer here was very surprised that IBM did not sponsor the YAPC::Israel's. They didn't even sponsor the latest OSDC::Israel which Oracle was a premiere sponsor.
<0> s/\.$/of./;
<0> Hi. I need copy-editing on http://www.iglu.org.il/wiki/index.php/August_Penguin_5/English
<5> Storable's plenty fast, what being written in C and all.
<0> The link could be a bit slow.
<4> Storable is definitely the best tested and fastest solution
<6> dngor:: Storable::dclone is slow
<6> is it the thaw side of that that's slow?
<4> "slow" relative to what?
<6> I've never tried freeze alone
<6> merlyn: slow relative to not doing it :)
<5> Toad: Doubting you're going to get much faster than Storable::nfreeze. You don't need to clone if your output is a string.
<4> heh - of course. I use far less gas sitting in my living room than driving down the street.
<6> right
<6> I'll give it a try
<4> but does that mean my couch has a better gas consumption rate?
<6> merlyn: absolutely ;-)
<5> merlyn: If you fart, and you don't smell it, then your sofa consumes gas efficiently.
<0> merlyn: can you please review http://www.iglu.org.il/wiki/index.php/August_Penguin_5/English ?
<0> merlyn: look for all kinds of problems.
<4> looking
<0> merlyn: thanks.
<4> one problem... it's too far away from me. :)
<0> merlyn: I see.
<4> "A Stand for selling books"?
<4> that's awkward
<0> merlyn: capital "S"?
<4> Maybe "store" instead
<0> merlyn: or do you want a book-selling stand?
<0> merlyn: it's not a store.
<4> is it a table?
<0> merlyn: it's a table.
<4> a collection of tables?
<0> merlyn: yes, it's a table.
<4> Oh - then 'a table'
<0> merlyn: maybe a few tables put together.
<4> A stand means something specific
<4> "An area for selling books"
<7> will operator overloading be a builtin feature of Perl 6 or will it be a module?
<4> s/to be at/to be on/
<4> Teratogen - if it's a module, it'll be a core module, like now
<4> Teratogen - you *do* realize that "use strict" is a module, right? :)
<7> yes
<7> a pragma module
<4> so I'm not sure about distinguishing "built in" from module
<8> Teratogen, it is an integral part of the language.
<0> merlyn: already fixed it to "to take place at". It's better.
<4> that's a false dichotomy
<4> "at" followed by a date is awkward
<0> merlyn: thanks!
<4> if the at was followed by the place, that'd be better
<7> well, a module will typically be "use"d
<4> or "on" followed bya date
<7> a builtin feature is just... there.
<0> merlyn: on it is .
<4> on $date at $place
<0> merlyn: at the OpenU's campus, or in the OpenU's campus?
<7> like regexes or ***ociative arrays, built in to the core syntax of Perl 5
<0> merlyn: "at the OpenU's campus", or "in the OpenU's campus"?
<4> there are no ***ociative arrays in Perl 5
<7> hashes?
<0> I'm too tired to form proper English sentences now.
<4> I'd use "at" there
<4> heh
<4> it's hard even fro us!
<0> There isn't a one<->one mapping between Hebrew and English keywords.
<9> ...on OpenU's campus, imo
<4> that's true for all language pairs
<0> merlyn: maybe, unless they're very similar.
<4> and given that your thinking is affected by your semantic states of language, it's an interesting problem.
<4> if some tribe has no word for "revenge", they may not even discuss it.
<7> I am learning Finnish, just for the hell of it
<4> it's hard to imagine that, but linguists are agreed on this idea.
<7> because it looks Elvish, I guess
<0> Man, I hate people addressing me as "Shlomi," at the beginning of Emails.
<0> Teratogen: also try Gothic.
<0> The language of the Goth Germanic people.
<10> "Hello Shlomi, can you offer any free Fish?" :P
<0> Khisanth: "Hello Shlomi" is OK.
<4> Shlomi isn't yoru name?
<0> merlyn: yes.
<10> hmm we have a customer named Shlomo
<4> so why do you hate when people address you by name?
<0> But I dislike "Shlomi, " rather than "Hi Shlomi," or "Hello Shlomi,", or "Hi!", or "Hi Mr. Fish" or whatever.
<0> merlyn: see ^^^
<4> Hmm. seems like an odd breakout
<0> I always feel like they're trying to preach to me.
<4> and against the herd in the US. :)
<4> common in us to say "$firstname, ...."
<0> merlyn: "Dear Shlomi," is OK.
<0> But it may be too personal.
<4> well - like I said... you're pushing against the river here. :)
<0> Or "Dear Sir,"
<0> merlyn: some Israelis do it too.
<4> "My Dear Mr. Fish, with regard to the correspondance dated 4 april..."
<0> Well maybe it's a geography gap.
<0> merlyn: heh.
<4> well - that's what I'm saying
<11> GumbyBRAIN, She will be mine. Oh yes, she will be mine.
<12> Oh for the module/dll to be for a list of files concurrently, yes ?
<4> it's common in the US to just say "$firstname, "
<0> merlyn: hmmm...
<0> integral: here?
<4> I'm sure it's not intended as offensive.
<13> ici?
<0> merlyn: of course Joel Spolsky said some people called him "Hi Spolsky,"
<0> When they sent the resume.
<0> integral: what's "ici"? Is it Latin? French?
<0> integral: is it acceptable in England to say "$first_name," in the beginning of Letters? How about emails?
<0> s/England/Britain/UK/GB/etc.
<13> I guess it is. I've taken to using: "Dear <$appropiate_mode_of_address>, .... Yours, ..."
<0> integral: hmmm...
<4> "To whom it won't concern,"
<13> but for really formal stuff I'd end with faithfully or sincerely as appropiate
<0> integral: "truly yours"
<13> rindolf: never :)
<0> I once added an email to a die-hard tcsh user in "Bashfully yours,"
<0> But I usually end with "Regards,"
<14> can i make a regex search from the end?
<0> s/added/ended/
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