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<0> Botje: prove test.t
<0> Botje: or runprove test.t in case you have the Test::Run modules.
<1> is wikipedia down?
<1> that's a sign of the end times.
<0> japhy: looks like it.
<0> No perlbot, no wikipedia - how will we survive??!!!
<0> DON'T PANIC!!!
<2> We'll start by eating the people who abuse punctuation.
<2> That will maintain us until we can get some order.
<0> b0at: right.
<3> Goodie, I'm hungry.
<0> b0at: then we start people whose nicks use l33t-speak.
<2> You fail.
<4> /nick p3rlh&x0r
<2> RPC: Ready-to-Punctuate commas
<0> I guess I'll prepare a fortune out of it.
<5> rindolf: i'm guessing you forgot a self->() somewhere. but I can't see it
<0> Botje: let me see.
<0> Oh wait! wikipedia did load.
<0> One good idea may be to have an infobot as an interface to a wiki-like website.
<2> Yes, it's a wonderful idea.
<0> Or something even crazier using POE/Twisted/etc.
<2> But try implementing it and CPAN looks like a retarded tallyman
<2> Wiki::Gateway is a wrapper to an almost-functional Python module
<0> Do "use strict" and "use warnings" apply to the entire file? Or just to the current package?
<0> s/file/source file/
<5> current scope.
<5> ehhh
<5> so package
<2> Unless it's in file scope
<0> So far it looks like a bug in perl5 (or in Cl***::Accessor) to me but I find it hard to believe. perl5 is not pugs.
<5> verifying it's indeed C::A is easily rectified ..
<0> Botje: OK.
<0> Oh! > instead of ->
<6> Hey
<5> ouch.
<5> that hurts.
<0> Yay! All tests succesful.
<6> lol
<5> heh :)
<0> Botje: yes, no bug, just one character difference.
<0> Hi dazjorz
<5> yeah
<6> Hey there Rindolf
<0> Botje: maybe I should have named the last method as something other than "last", because there's a keyword like that.
<0> Last() or last_() or whatever.
<5> not_first ;)
<0> Botje: no, it's not like (cdr) in Lisp.
<6> the_one_after_the_one_before_last()
<0> Botje: it's the last element ->[-1].
<0> dazjorz: Heh.
<5> I know
<6> the_one_after_the_one_after_the_one_before_the_one_before_the_last()
<0> terminator()
<0> dazjorz: yes, we got the idea.
<5> arnold()
<6> rindolf, want another level?
<7> caadr() ?
<6> the_one_after_the.... ah ****, i have better things to do
<0> dazjorz: no thanks.
<0> Botje: how do you pronounce cdr?
<0> I say it see-dee-are.
<6> seedear
<7> kuh-dur
<0> But other people call it kuder or see-dar.
<0> infi: isn't it cadr?
<5> kuder or kudar
<5> that's how I've always heard it
<5> but kudar is already close to cdar
<5> so kuder :)
<0> Botje: yeah, well, I saw it in writing before I heard it.
<7> or at least that's how Sussman and Abelson say it
<0> And I think see-dee-are is less ambigious.
<0> Some people pronounce "char" (as in C's datatype) as "car".
<6> we're actually talking about how to pronounce a word in lisp here?
<0> Like character.
<0> I say it "tshar".
<7> if it was more than just cdr (cudr) or car (car), I'd spell it out)
<5> there's actually a faq about how to pronounce "char"
<0> dazjorz: this is #lisp here.
<0> Or #EverythingButPerl
<6> rindolf: I see
<7> I say 'care' for char, and 'sidder' for CIDR, so it can't be confused with those two (which char = 'car' and cdr = 'see-dar' would easily become).
<6> #LetsTalkOfftopicAboutEverythingButPerl !
<6> lol
<0> The #lisp people are pretty nasty. They're also exclusively about Common Lisp rather than other Lisp dialects.
<5> rindolf: see-dee-ar interrupts the flow of conversation, and if you're teaching it helps to have short pronounciations
<7> dazjorz: lisp is strangely relevant to everything.
<6> "Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable"
<6> [15:26] #letstalkofftopicabouteverythingbutperl - Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable
<0> Botje: maybe.
<0> Perl is heavily influenced by Lisp and Scheme.
<0> Perl 6 will be even more so.
<6> I say char as tsjar
<5> perl6 is the new lisp.
<5> the only _NEW_ thing perl6 over lisp are hyperoperators
<0> Botje: in Soviet Russia Perl 6 new lisps you!
<5> and even those could be implemented with some clever macros
<0> Botje: Perl 6 also has the Smalltalk/Ruby everything's an object philosophy.
<5> ah yes
<0> Well, some (most?) Lispers use Perl, Python or whatever for most of their everyday work.
<0> Because there are too many goddamn implementations of Lisp which are: 1. Incomplete. 2. Incompatible with one another.
<0> And in Scheme it's even worth.
<0> Incomplete not relative to the standard but to Perl+CPAN or whatever.
<8> what does the perl keyword CHECK do?
<2> Terrible pun
<0> adante: it's one of the blocks that are run at the beginning (or end) of the program.
<0> s/worth/worse/
<8> right, thanks
<0> OK. I'm closing X so the rpm updates will take effect.
<5> bye :)
<0> Botje: bye.
<0> I also need to upgrade the kernel.
<9> y'all come back nah, heah?
<10> jpeg: rofl
<10> nice
<0> Or maybe I'll wait for the next -rc one.
<0> jpeg: I don't know.
<9> heh
<0> jpeg: I find IRC to be too distracting. I got work to do.
<0> Or at least try to do.
<0> Well, bye.
<10> rindolf: C'mon now.. all work and no IRC make jack a dull boy.
<10> ;)
<0> (bye all)
<0> Xn0de: I've been IRCing all weekend.
<10> Whoa.. I see. Then I guess you're right.
<10> Carry on.. bye! :)
<0> Xn0de: bye.
<11> yeah thunderstorm :)
<12> Hi Guys! I decided to learn a programming language. Is perl a good choice?
<13> yes
<12> Is perl better than python?
<13> yes
<14> Yes!
<11> maybe here is the wrong channel to ask this ;-)
<12> I need it for general purpose, some mathematics programming.
<11> but you should know, python programmers smell bad ;-)
<15> hi
<15> just trying to debug a perl script
<15> first look at perl for years following php holidays
<14> Ewww, PHP..
<15> heh... well hoping that perl will woo me back
<7> php holidays?
<15> not looked at any perl code for about 8 years
<15> I think
<15> just wondering how I can get perl to be more verbose when writing to the apache error log
<15> "Premature end of script headers" is not helping me much :P
<9> that's not perl generating the error; it's apache.
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