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<0> I love being able to use apt-get with my Mac
<0> :)
<1> fink uses apt-get
<2> jbalcomb: yeah, you can't get ARP information across diferent networks
<0> I know
<3> merlyn what is fink and darwinports?
<1> two competing systems for OSX
<0> Which is why I use it. hehe
<2> jbalcomb: MAC addresses are just used on local ethernet
<1> wildly incompatible
<1> and redundant, but overlapping
<1> and unfortunately not subsettig
<1> so I have... both
<0> I don't have both. I only have fink.
<1> rerunning my nmap
<1> uh - it still doesn't say on an -sP which device type\
<3> dkr: yeah, hrmm.. i know but hadn't considered the seriousness of that fact.
<1> how do you get that?
<1> this is with 4.10
<3> dkr: it seems i can not do what i'm trying to do. perhaps i can SNMP walk through the mac table on the switch...
<4> hi all. is there a good "perl prettifier" module for vim? I'm pretty inconsistant on K&R style, using tabs vs spaces, etc. and was looking for something nice and automated ;)
<5> joseki: perltidy
<1> Ahh... had to be sudo
<6> command -range=% -nargs=* Tidy <line1>,<line2>! perltidy -l=120 -i=4 -ci=4 -ole=unix -nola -nwls="**" -nwrs="**" -olc -ce -bar <args>
<2> merlyn: oh yeah, forgot to mention I ran the scan as root, :) sorry
<7> hi all
<0> Hello
<1> but thanks for the 4.x pointer
<2> jbalcomb: all my ip phones use dhcp... :)
<4> perltidy huh. ok, i was looking more for a vim style thingy, but this might work
<3> dkr: same here. I'm working on getting some auto configuration scripting set up
<6> joseki: it's a vim style thingy once you put that line in your vimrc :)
<2> jbalcomb: ah, you want to ***ign static ips based on their MACs?
<5> joseki: I know someone who loves perltidy (um not me). Hobbs: whichline?
<6> centosian: the one above beginning "command"
<8> joseki: you can use the = command to reindent lines
<7> i'm getting a syntax error on this line, anyone know why?
<7> foreach %e_hash (@$rule_data_ref)
<5> hobbs: oh
<7> rule_data_ref is a reference to an array full of hashes
<8> gniretar_work: what do you expect that to do?
<9> gniretar_work: structures only store scalars
<3> dkr: i need the mac for the configuration file name
<8> rule_data_ref is a reference to an array full of hash_REFS_
<1> foreach can only be a salar
<1> scalar
<7> ah
<7> so in order to do that i need to make the hashes references
<3> dkr: the gxp-2000 uses encode.sh (some JAVA app) to build a binary name 'cfg<MAC Address>' from a text file
<0> The control variable can only be a scalar yes.
<7> to the hashes
<8> gniretar_work: no ..
<2> but each takes a hash argument... inconsistant? :)
<8> arrays can only contain scalars
<8> so can hashes.
<8> hashes and arrays are not scalars
<8> references are, though
<7> OK
<7> gotchya
<1> $popeye is both a scalar *and* a sailor
<8> eval: $popeye = \spinach
<10> Botje: \'spinach'
<1> %chopped_beef_and_potatoes is both a hash and some hash
<4> ooh. perltidy is very cool
<4> thanks all
<1> \&the_code_book is both a coderef and a code ref
<1> sub dive { } is both a subroutine and a sub routine
<1> sub merge { } ...
<3> merlyn...
<2> %family_posing_for_picture is both an ***ociative array and an ***ociative array
<1> ooh - I gotta use that one somewhere
<1> if you find something calling it an ***ociative array, burn it or ignore it
<3> C:\> rename "My Pictures" "My ***ociative Arrays"
<2> the boss should give my ***ociate a raise
<1> ->rhythm is both a method and a method
<3> how about a 'mode'?
<3> or a 'selection'?
<1> (peas , carrots, pickles) is both a list, and list
<3> or a 'split'?
<1> split //, $banana
<3> ah, use 'regular expression'
<1> & lunch
<2> /uh-oh/ is a regular expression and a regular expression
<3> s/Thank You/Yer Mom/ is a substitution and a substitution
<4> so, should non-exported package globals be declared in my constructor, or outside?
<0> What was that about?
<11> drive-by echo
<2> joseki: no need for globals, just make them private vars
<4> dkr: ok, so declare them in the constructor, like my $self = { foo => [ ], bar => { } }; etc
<6> joseki: er
<4> hobbs: sorry, i'm new at this...
<6> joseki: those aren't global in any sense, or private vars, or anything resembling what you asked
<4> hobbs: okay, that's my back***wards way of doing private vars ;)
<6> joseki: doubtful
<12> joseki: Those are hash keys contained in your $self hash reference. More or less perl's members.
<12> buubot: restart
<12> heh
<6> joseki: Those are very public attributes, not private anything. And they're attached to instances, not to the cl***.
<12> Suddenly 30 more channels show up with traffic!
<2> a common convention is to just use underscore prefixes for private stuff
<4> ok, so in perldoc perltoot, then hve $self->{NAME} $self->{AGE} in their example, that's where I got the idea from
<10> perltoot - Perl OO tutorial, part 1. To access this perldoc please type, at a command line, 'perldoc perltoot'. You may also find it at http://perldoc.perl.org/perltoot.html
<2> hobbs: whats wrong with attaching them to the instance?
<4> so, maybe $self->{"_foo} would be what you're suggesting?
<4> $self->{"_FOO"}
<6> dkr: nothing, except that it doesn't even vaguely resemble what he originally asked about
<2> that's what i was thinking, although I wouldn't use uppercase unless they are constants
<2> hobbs: you can't take questions too literally, you have to do some mind-reading. :)
<6> dkr: I know that. My mind just wasn't willing to bend quite so far
<4> ok, i'll go back to reading perltoot then.
<5> joseki: I've always been somewhat partial to 'use fields'
<5> for some definitions of 'always'
<4> ok, let me ask the question this way. Is perltoot a good model for a cl***?
<11> eval: keys %{ $self->{poco_irc}->channel_ban_list('#perl') }
<10> BinGOs: 29
<5> joseki: in my humble opinion it's best for learning object oriented perl. It's nice to use some existent module to handle details. It's not a 'bad' model
<4> ok, great ;) I'll have at it!
<2> but also keep TMTOWTDI in mind, :)
<4> sure thing!
<6> Has perltoot been improved recently?
<5> For normal projects I'd recommend 'use fields' and 'use base' but I'm sure others here have more detailed input
<6> Last time I looked it was twisted and confusing and had some examples of bad practice
<2> I like use base, more consice than using @ISA
<13> does anyone know is Net::OSCAR works with AIM or have they retooled their protocol enough to **** it over
<2> TIAS
<6> zshzn: Net::OSCAR is fine, Net::AIM is dead
<13> hrm, ok. now to figure out why the example code isn't working for me
<13> yay, fixed
<6> anyway, I seem to remember Programming Perl having good enough coverage of OO basics
<13> yea, sorry for that illtimed and useless interruption
<2> I have Conway's OOP. I don't think I've read much of it, though, heh. :)
<0> Some people find it difficult to understand the Camel without reading the Llama and Alpaca first (well, at least the Llama).
<4> hm, it looks like use Alias qa(attr); might be a nice approach to being able to get a object's data members as simple variables (from perltoot)
<1> I'd highly recommend the llama and the alpaca, but I'm biased.
<1> look at Data::Aliased in the CPAN
<1> I mean Lexical::Alias
<6> eggzeck: yeah, that's fine. I'm just saying, once you have enough basic knowledge of perl (however you got there) to want a reference to OO, the Camel is a good enough start
<1> and Data::Alias
<1> and perlboot :)
<11> perlbot: perlboot
<14> Perl OO tutorial for beginners - http://perldoc.perl.org/perlboot.html
<0> hobbs: Yeah, and I don't disagree with you. Though I think it's best to also read the Alpaca before reading the Camel, since the Alpaca covers OOP as well.
<0> imho
<6> eggzeck: I can't really comment because I never got around to the Alpaca
<0> hobbs: I see, well obviously you're not a beginner. I am though, so I read all that I could (and still reading more).
<6> eggzeck: I haven't been doing perl for _that_ long, but I was still mostly not a beginner by the time the first Alpaca came out
<15> eggzeck: Mark Twain's "Roughing It" is good, and gutenberg.org has it as an etext.
<0> Yaakov: I'll check it out. Though if it's for beginners, I'm past that :p
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