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<0> Insolit: you can try the third part of my Perl for Perl Newbies
<0> perlbot: objects
<1> http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/lecture/Perl/Newbies/lecture3/ , http://perldoc.perl.org/perlboot.html , http://perldoc.perl.org/perltoot.html , http://perldoc.perl.org/perlobj.html
<2> They have POD in C comments!
<2> Wow!
<0> Insolit: link there.
<0> Insolit: link there. ^^^
<3> Very, VERY soon I will be eating a lovely meal of palack panner, raita, basmati rice and pseudo-poori in honor of my wife as Mother of my children.
<4> revdiablo: ofcourse. Where do you think that the perlapi POD (etc) gets there information?
<3> Mother's Day is great.
<2> Ani-_: I never cared to think about it.
<5> yeah, you get to watch football and eat turkey. wait, wrong mother's day!
<3> s/panner/paneer/
<3> s/palack/palak/
<6> rindolf: ok :)
<3> FNARB!
<0> Insolit: perltoot may also be OK.
<4> FNARB? :/
<0> Insolit: you can also try looking at the tutorials lists.
<0> perlbot: tutorial
<1> http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node=Tutorials | http://perl.com/cs/user/query/q/6?id_topic=74 | http://learn.perl.org/ | http://books.perl.org/onlinebooks | http://perl-begin.berlios.de/tutorials/ | http://learn.perl.org/library/beginning_perl/
<6> well anything is probably better than this book i have here
<6> long boring texts
<4> What book is that?
<6> "professional perl programming"
<3> "Long Boring Text about Perl"
<6> from Peter Wainwright
<6> hope it's no one of you :P
<3> It was me a long time ago, but I gave it up.
<6> and in who have you become?
<7> I was me once, but it all got too real. Needed to step back a few yards.
<8> join #macosx
<7> No.
<8> sry
<6> rindolf: did you write the guide?
<0> Insolit: which one?
<6> i'm now reading http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/lecture/Perl/Newbies/lecture3/modules/declaring/
<9> Insolit's url is at http://xrl.us/mggz
<0> Insolit: yes, I did wrote that.
<7> Whoa, past past participle. Heavy.
<6> :) nice rindolf
<0> Insolit: it's part of a series of four presentations introducing the core Perl langauge to newcomers.
<6> the book has so many pages about declaring packages that you summarize to one paragraph and example :P
<6> i'm a very lazy reader, so i like this
<4> Bad rindolf. Why is there no use warnings in MyModule/Hoola::Hoop and no use strict in Hoola::Hoop? :/
<0> Ani-_: where?
<7> Not to mention that it was supposed to be in the "Hoopla" namspace!
<7> Either that or Hula...
<6> Ani-_: i think the important there is to learn to define namespaces
<4> rindolf: http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/lecture/Perl/Newbies/lecture3/modules/declaring/ (and on some of the following pages aswell)
<9> Ani-_'s url is at http://xrl.us/mgg3
<6> the first thing i learnt about perl was to use strict and warnings, even before i could understand what they were for...
<0> Well I may have missed use warnings and/or use strict on some of the examples, because I wrote so many of them from scratch.
<4> rindolf, also: '3.2. Importing Modules and their Functions': I would like to suggest the title: '3.2. Using Modules and their Functions'. (Import makes me think about import and export)
<7> You can require without importing.
<6> to import function we need to define them in modules?
<6> *functions
<7> "<code>use</code>ing a Module" would be most accurate
<7> Subs that's aren't in the current dealy are usually the only ones that need importing
<0> Ani-_: OK.
<0> Ani-_: OK, I'm going over them and fixing them in my copy, and will upload it soon.
<10> integral, you around?
<11> Today's painfully-learned lesson:
<6> rindolf: are u using a special editor to write all that html pages, or doing that manually, like adding all the span and divs styles
<11> Do not, around 9a, while reading in the back yard without a shirt on say to yourself, "It's nice out, I think I'll take a nap" and wake up at 2:30p, because you /will/ be red.
<6> lol
<11> Bastard.
<12> <evil grin>
<11> The event went something like, "That was nice, I wonder what time it iOH MY GOD OW"
<0> Insolit: well I'm using gvim to edit my Perl code, and then use its "convert to HTML" function to make its styles stick.
<12> rindolf: have you switched to vim7 yet?
<10> Hallo Botje :)
<12> hi Daveman
<10> Botje, YES. Convert all those that would unbelieve! :P
<6> rindolf: :) thnks
<12> well, he's already using vim, so that wouldn't be very hard
<10> :)
<13> what is vim7?
<12> it is version 7 of the popular editor called vim
<6> no gvim for unix?
<12> sure, why wouldn't there be?
<12> vim7 also includes graphical vim
<6> i only see vim for unix
<12> yes, gvim is included.
<6> ok
<12> I have a build of it right here.
<6> i have vim installed but no gvim
<6> must download vim separatelly then
<11> Bah, the debian goobers haven't packaged up vim7 yet.
<12> it's in unstable, no?
<11> Though, my apt.sources is wonky.
<0> Insolit: you're welcome.
<12> ah. it's in testing. my bad
<14> W00t. Vim 7 is out ?
<0> Insolit: try installing vim-X11.
<14> =[
<6> rindolf: i'm now installing vim-7
<0> BinGOs: yes, it is.
<14> \o/
<0> Insolit: OK.
<0> Insolit: which editor are you normally using?
<6> seems vim is popular around here...
<6> only emacs
<6> and wordpad in windows :P
<12> Insolit: merlyn uses emacs too, afaik
<12> and probably others
<0> Insolit: wordpad is not really a text editor. It's a rich text editor.
<6> yes i was just kidding :)
<0> Insolit: notepad is a text editor, if you can call it that.
<0> Insolit: ah OK.
<0> ew73: jpico?
<10> BinGOs :D
<11> rindolf: Yes.
<13> I wouldn't be caught dead using windows, if they oulawed everything but, I'd use nothing.
<0> ew73: I see.
<6> since my first year in university i've dealt only with emacs, so that's what i use now and i like it more as time p***es by
<0> ew73: someone I know who tried using jpico as an editor for Linux beginners, said it somewhat misbehaved.
<6> i tried to use special apps for programming in C and Java, like eclipse, but fastly gave up
<11> rindolf: Mainly because when I first "learned" unix way back in the day, I used pine and pico, and have never been able to unlearn the keyboard layout.
<0> ew73: I see.
<11> I tried vim, really, I did. esc-:q!
<0> ew73: well, I started with pico, too, but quickly switched to joe (with its native keybindings) to writing stuff.
<15> I use joe with native bindings for quick editing, emacs for everything else
<0> ew73: then I used NEdit, XFTE, and gvim (which ironically, I first started using on Windows)
<0> dvorak: I see.
<6> does gvim have special support for different programming languages?
<0> ew73: now I'm also replacing joe on consoles with vim. It was a gradual mental transition.
<0> Insolit: sure.
<15> it has color syntax highlighting for a lot of them
<0> Insolit: it has syntax highlighting.
<15> I don't think it has much in the way of special support past that
<0> Insolit: and it also has perl-support, c-support, etc. pacakges.
<6> do i need to do something special to enable it?
<11> Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I don't find myself needing a ****ing shell for a text editor. :)
<13> I use vim because I was forced to, it traps you within the prgram and won't let you exit until you learn how to use it.
<15> that's one of the advantages of emacs
<0> Insolit: it also has ctags.
<11> DoctorMO: ALT-F2, killall -9 vim
<13> ew73: this was back in the day when the only commands I knew were ls and cd
<11> That's how I got out of vim for the first few months. :)
<0> ew73: you're using the virtual consoles for text editing?
<16> I don't believe you ew73
<13> I'm constantly suprised with what vim can do if you press random keys
<17> DoctorMO: you might be even more surprised if you read the tutorial. There's some really really powerful stuff in vim.
<11> rindolf: Back in the day, X wasn't really um. Good. Anymore, I've got several Eterms up. :)
<0> ew73: I see.
<0> ew73: does Eterm has tabs now?
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