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<0> AI_coder: like you would have a clue. Please get out of my conversation.
<1> hobbs: Aww, poor baby... I'm sowwy.
<0> f00li5h: just read the overview docs. It's just a nice interface, and I expect you'll see it at a gance
<2> hobbs: do you use it yourself?
<0> f00li5h: yeah
<2> hobbs: and which `goofyness' do you see in mason then?
<3> Hello guys and gals
<2> hi there jxmiller how are you?
<3> f00li5h: pretty well about to hit the hay
<2> jxmiller: oh, well that sounds like a bit of fun.
<3> I have what might be considered a odd question but... I am a network intern and want to get hired on full time. I know a person that works there used Perl to write a script to change ip adresses on servers automatically so us interns didn't have to mess with telnetting 2800 sites to do it manually. How could I use Perl to impress the full time employees in my department?
<1> Sleep with the bosses wife.
<1> Then brag to everyone about it.
<2> well, i'd suggest using dhcp
<4> jxmiller: write an IRC bot to control it all :P
<2> or perhaps cfengine, (although i don't know how that'll go with win- boxen)
<5> jxmiller: there are probably modules to help automate the process. search.cpan.org
<2> i like that search.cpan.org is pretty much an instruction ...
<5> ya
<5> search cpan ! org
<2> perhaps go.and.search.cpan.org/you_lazy_bastard/ would better?
<5> or an alias
<6> heh
<5> gascpoylb.cpan.org
<5> (Acronym there)
<2> sili_: hrm, well, then you could just cname it ...
<7> eval: opendir(FOO,'.'); my @foo=readdir(FOO); closedir(FOO); foreach(@foo) { print $_, "\n" }
<8> Teratogen: Return:
<5> or whatever.
<0> eval: glob("*")
<8> hobbs: Return:
<0> Teratogen: nothing there :)
<7> blah
<2> eval: glob('/*);
<8> f00li5h: Error: Can't find string terminator "'" anywhere before EOF at (eval 130) line 2.
<2> oops
<2> eval: glob('/*');
<8> f00li5h: Return:
<7> eval: opendir(FOO,'/'); my @foo=readdir(FOO); closedir(FOO) foreach(@foo) { print $_, "\n" }
<8> Teratogen: Error: syntax error at (eval 130) line 2, near ") {"
<9> "change ip adresses on servers automatically"? um, that's dumb
<3> hehe its hard to decipher what is a joke and what is serious
<0> f00li5h: the bot is _in_ /, thanks to chroot :)
<2> ok, so it's a chroot jailed, run as nobody and has
<7> oops
<7> oh
<3> mmlj4 whats dumb about that?
<7> eval: opendir(FOO,'/etc'); my @foo=readdir(FOO); closedir(FOO); foreach(@foo) { print $_, "\n" }
<8> Teratogen: Return:
<0> jxmiller: the part where the servers' addresses change :)
<0> eval: opendir(DH, '/etc'); $!
<8> hobbs: Return: Too many open files
<9> because servers ought to have static IP addresses
<7> oh darn it
<3> i gues that is pretty dumb
<0> Teratogen: you can't win ;)
<7> there must be some chink in buubot's armor
<2> hobbs: i did not know that sub attributes could take arguements...
<3> i meant change the adresses the server uses (for routers etc)
<0> f00li5h: yeah, lots of people don't :)
<2> hobbs: well, not me anymore ^_^
<0> f00li5h: Catalyst uses attributes pretty nicely. They don't get in the way, but they do just what they need to
<2> hobbs: i'm confused as to the `where i put code' in this thing
<3> so dhcp and search.cpan.org is what I should look into?
<0> f00li5h: and you don't have to go calling any register() functions or anything
<9> you'd impress your workmates by getting a basic education in whatever you wanted to end up doing, instead of trying to write advanced perl
<3> mmlj4 so what my co-worker did was "advanced perl"?
<2> hobbs: i see...
<0> f00li5h: as to where you "put code", in the actions of your controllers for the most part
<2> hobbs: it seems to be <something> but i think that MVC is nearly wrong for websites
<2> since the controller and view are the same for http
<0> what?
<0> not really. Yeah, the way that HTTP works means that they're both _invoked_ at about the same time, but that doesn't make them the same thing
<2> hobbs: perhpas i'm not totally groking MVC, but it appears that in HTTP, i wind up sending back the C and the V in the same HTML nugget
<1> f00li5h: Nah, you should send people to http://remember.homelinux.com:1500/whycpan.html
<2> AI_coder: not really catchy
<1> Have you read it?
<0> and with stuff like sessions you can have your controller keep state across requests
<1> It's pretty good actually.
<2> hobbs: i see... so this catalyst is like going and programing say, Visual <something>
<2> and i don't really get to do much html?
<0> f00li5h: er, no?
<2> hobbs: ok, so i've not read the whole thing yet...
<0> f00li5h: It is vaguely like that, in that there's a certain separation of logic and presentation, with a relatively well-defined layer in between
<1> f00li5h: Did you read the url I posted, it's a pretty good commentary on people and their motivations with documentation. In particular cpan.
<0> f00li5h: but there's still plenty of HTML writing, so long as you want that ;)
<0> f00li5h: (of course, you can also set up a view that generates Javascript, or SVG pie charts from your data, or...)
<2> AI_coder: no, i didn't read it.
<2> hobbs: ooh, svg pie charts! what fun!
<1> f00li5h: I was interested in what you thought about it.
<10> I would like a piece of zeta iota pi. :)
<1> Hey merlyn, how often do you send free loaders that want easy answers to cpan?
<10> easy answers to cpan?
<10> I didn't know there were cpan questions. :)
<1> hehe
<11> slime
<0> f00li5h: you know what I meant :P
<11> woops
<11> Wrong buffer :)
<0> my, that was a yummy slime mold!
<11> no, I ment to do M-x slime RET in emacs
<2> hobbs: what do you mean? i didn't correct you
<1> merlyn: Perhaps I wasn't clear, I'm interested in how often people want to solve a problem and you refer them to cpan.
<0> f00li5h: le sigh
<11> Well in my minibuffer. I use erc for a irc client anways so I'm already in emacs xD
<10> I don't think that happens more than once in 20 to 30 transactions
<1> I'm interested in this article, you're a veteran, so I thought you would know about this sort of thing.
<1> http://remember.homelinux.com:1500/whycpan.html
<10> what is your question to me?
<10> I see some text in that article. ok.
<1> I couldn't tell if the text was satire or not.
<12> ok I'm not getting the desirable result which to print the user that has exceeded 8000. I must be doing something ugly: /usr/sbin/repquota -a | awk '{print $1":"$3}' | perl -e 'chomp; my @tupple=split(/:/, $_); if ($tupple[1] > 8000) { print "Check @tupple\n";}'
<2> hobbs: will the catalyst stuff play nice with normal mason?
<2> or must i pick one?
<12> input example: x:600
<0> f00li5h: you can use mason as a view if you like. Most people don't though
<2> hobbs: i see.
<2> what is the goofeyness that you dislike about mason?
<0> f00li5h: It's been a long time since I looked. I just didn't find the syntax convenient
<2> hobbs: oh, i see...
<2> i like it for it's inlinedness, but i keep finding that components get stupid and then i have to start again
<10> it seems like one person's opinion
<10> perhaps done as humor
<2> it's always good when you can't tell if something's a piss-take or not
<1> Yes, it was very one sided, I couldn't tell if they were serious.
<12> ahhh I need to use <> instead
<12> it must be merlyn
<10> actually it doesn't say much to me
<10> it's mostly noise
<1> merlyn: Could you tell me why you think that is so?
<10> because it doesn't help me know what my behavior should be
<10> it doesn't motivate a change
<10> and doesn't confirm an existing behavior
<1> So the author wasn't clear in his intentions, he just left it hanging?
<10> it's more like "do this, or whatever"
<10> maybe I'm missing something
<1> Yeah, that is popular among young authors.
<1> It probably wasn't thought through very well.
<10> Not sure the age matters. :)
<10> But I don't have enough context to know the whole motive
<1> merlyn: Yeah, perhaps it is a lack of education, what do you think?
<10> No - again, I don't have enough context to know the why
<1> I think english teachers aren't failing enough students.
<10> hence I cannot even speculate about the meta-why
<10> it's just a bunch of words on a page
<1> merlyn: Interesting...
<1> merlyn: I like your thought process.
<10> hey - it's gotten me here, and it's gotten me to be a felon
<10> emulation may result in either. :)
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