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<0> Juerd: monitoring your childeren is not criminal. It's good parenting.
<1> cfedde: http://cgi.ebay.com/2-Cisco-1900-1924-EN-Managed-Enterprise-Level-Switches_W0QQitemZ5879141974QQcategoryZ51255QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
<2> Yaakov's url is at http://xrl.us/kef7
<1> I would like that.
<3> cfedde: Agreed. But I believe there's some jurisprudence that does not agree. IIRC.
<4> monitoring your children without them knowing is evil
<5> dlink... europound... roflcopter!?
<4> trusting your children and teaching them right from wrong is wise
<0> Juerd: NL and US have very different laws.
<5> Chris62vw, and how to use firearms properly!! :)
<3> cfedde: It was US.
<0> Chris62vw: who said anything about not telling them.
<6> uk standard practice appears to be to either give you a sheet to sign saying you agree, or to make the rules clear in the MOTD
<4> cfedde, what I said doesn't refer exactly to your situation. I was simply making a general statement
<7> Juerd: M::C is nifty keen.
<4> Daveman, oh **** yes. my kids will get guns for their birthdays
<5> :DD
<8> Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?
<1> cfedde: We could split that auction!
<8> I think so Brain, but where will we find a tattoo parlor at this time of night?
<4> ew73, here!
<7> This episode is one giant cliche =[
<3> cfedde: Personally, I'd not use a switch or hub and sniffing, but a linux gateway in between the intarweb and the lan.
<5> buu :o
<8> I think so Brain, but how will we move that much sawdust up the mountainside?
<3> cfedde: And have the linux gateway sniff, monitor, log and store stuff.
<7> Well, on the plus side picard gets ro ride horseys.
<6> linux bridging! make a very expensive, low backplane bandwidth switch!
<0> Juerd: I used to do that. but it restricts the use of the computer in that role.
<5> gumbybrain: ew73
<9> Daveman: That last one in latitude 73 degrees 15' w.
<5> haha
<3> cfedde: You need a box to do the monitoring anyway; why not supply it with a 2nd nic...
<8> I think so Brain, but where are we going to find rubber pants our size?
<5> integral :(
<0> Juerd: it turns that system into a "production" system. One that must be up to enable your family to use the internet.
<3> cfedde: Switches don't analyse, log and store stuff; and if you need a box for those things anyway, why not have THAT do the monitoring too?
<5> ew73 == gumbybrain v(-2.0) ? :P
<3> cfedde: And why would that be scary? I have several such production systems that have been running for years without *any* maintenance.
<10> GumbyBRAIN: Chris62vw
<9> perlbot: "Superb!" said his grace rubbed his knuckles, that he had some little trouble; ascending higher and so intense a darkness that, at all events, we had a vw van which was requisite to prevent him from me in studies of the pendulum was at this 5 hours from land to be imagined, and provided that functionality, if it were many small unsightly hillocks, low and narrow, and not let go my hold with a very beautiful and peaceful gloom here
<5> :o
<0> that means it must be a seperate system from the one you use for daily testing of stuff.
<4> that thing is useless.
<3> cfedde: Including the family internet connection at home...
<5> Chris62vw ;)
<3> cfedde: Yes, that's true.
<1> cfedde: Did you see it?
<3> I'm very used to this situation, though
<0> Juerd: se what?
<0> I see the little catalyst.
<3> And love the added benefits of a web proxy and stuff like that
<1> THat was me.
<3> cfedde: "se"?
<5> asdfjkl;
<1> cfedde: TWO of them.
<6> "little" -- it's a m***ive great big 19" thing
<3> Daveman: dvorak.nl
<1> 70 bucks.
<0> two fer?
<5> hoe?
<1> 70/2
<5> stop talking?
<3> ?
<1> If you bought it I would buy one from you.
<8> "I think so Brain, but how will we get a pair of Abe Vigoda's pants?"
<6> what's so good about cisco though?
<1> cfedde: If that doesn't please you, here is an alternative: http://cgi.ebay.com/MiLAN-MIL-SM800P-Managed-8-port-10-100Mbps-Switch_W0QQitemZ5878695145QQcategoryZ51268QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
<7> HELP
<2> Yaakov's url is at http://xrl.us/kef9
<0> Juerd: sorry I had my eyes crossed for a sec trying to keep up.
<7> THE CLICHES ARE ATTACKING ME.
<4> ew73, http://www.abevigoda.com/ffb.php
<8> Oh pfft. Pinky and the Brain are awesome.
<11> cat file | grep "|Q|" | grep "[A-Z] x3" gives me an address match in a file i need to edit, any idea how i can incorporate it as an address match with perl -pi -e 's/search/replace/g' ? i have dug around and the answer seems to be eluding me
<7> ew73: SAVE ME.
<8> "I think so Brain, but can the Gummi Worms really live in peace with the Marshmallow Chicks?"
<7> ew73: Eesh this is stupid and vapid
<8> buu: Which one?
<0> Yaakov: do you like the cisco?
<7> ew73: A crusher episode =[
<1> cfedde: Yes, or HP.
<5> buu: :D
<7> ew73: It's the one where wesley commands a geological team
<8> buu: Now you know why Wil Wheaton hated the character.
<5> rofl!
<0> Yaakov: I used to have a stack of those cisco's in production.
<5> buu: ***y :\
<7> ew73: Yeah
<5> buu: next!
<1> cfedde: But I couldn't find a good deal on a ProCurve.
<7> It doesn't go *anywhere* interesting.
<3> I'd prefer a buggy linux box to a cisco thing, for production, any day ;)
<0> Yaakov: I could probabluy find one of those at $local_pc_recycler
<3> I'd prefer an HP or 3com switch
<0> Juerd: heh.
<12> sarig: just chain together your grep regexes with and
<13> buu - did you get my /msg from yesterday?
<5> :p
<6> I presume modern HP switches talk something better than SNMPv1?
<7> Limbic_Region: About the module? Yes I installed it.
<5> CIOS--
<13> and the second part?
<0> integral: what's wrong with snmpv1?
<11> everything
<6> cfedde: eww.
<7> Oh god
<0> and most switches do.
<5> -_-;
<5> noobs!
<6> no bulk transfers what the thing that annoyed me, and require me to fiddle code iirc
<0> I mean. what's so bad about V1 that v2 or v3 fix.
<13> thanks buu - /msg'd you a follow up
<5> :o
<0> ok. Bulk operator i'll give you that.
<0> but snmp v2 party auth ****s.
<6> snmpv1 boxes also tend to have crappy limited mibs
<0> this is true also. And agents that report on the traffic to the agent and not through the device.
<0> in general I find that snmp is a poor way to do most things these days.
<6> what are the alternatives?
<0> what ever ****ty propriatary thing some vendor offers.
<6> ah, my last foray into snmp was in a nasty heterogenous environment, with said snmpv1-only 10base-t hp thingie
<0> getting everything with snmp is nearly as hard as just writing a script.
<6> I got away with just one script with a flag for v1 versus v2
<0> Yaakov: you serious about that cisco?
<14> hello.
<6> hi sili
<0> there is that.
<6> it makes you think evil things like "oooh, only for a 8-way PIII 550MHz box? that's cheap!"
<15> has anyones use perl with oracle 10g xe?
<3> integral: I've once stared at such a monster for minutes, trying to imagine its power.
<3> integral: Nowadays, my laptop easily outperforms it :)
<0> this is the problem with used computers.
<3> They're absolutely worthless
<6> unless you're doing something very parallelisable :-/
<3> I've seen someone trying to sell 100 equal boxes. P3-500, 128 MB, cd-drive, 4 GB harddrive. All he wanted was EUR 10 each... It took him a few months to get rid of the bunch.
<6> in which case it's about 4GHz (*cough*)
<3> integral: But Perl 6 isn't quite there yet ;)
<6> if I had more mail volume it'd be cute for something like spam******in
<16> Hi who can help
<7> integral: I want an 8way mega box =[
<0> I just don't want to be responsable for systems like that. The $300 unit from microcenter is enough for me.
<3> cfedde: I wouldn't want to run such a system, if only because of the electricity bill.
<0> Juerd: true.
<16> Hey, I am trying to install DBD::mysql, when i type install DBD::mysql i got an error Cannot find the file 'mysql_config'! Your execution PATH doesn't seem
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