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<0> Lotuinos: force install ...
<1> or if you are using CPANPLUS, z Module::Name then make install
<2> okay thank you
<0> Khisanth: how much better is CPANPLUS?
<3> ericka: What is the error?
<4> Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string
<1> what the hell is the firefox dev's infatuation with tiny unreziable windows?
<1> s/'s/s'/
<3> ericka: Oh, I see, it was off my screen in the browser.
<0> Khisanth: where?
<5> Khisanth: Huh?
<1> unresizable :P
<3> ericka: The error means that $stream->get_trimmed_text("/div") is not returning anything.
<1> simcop2387: the Bookmark This Page window and the Save Page As
<4> oh, ok. I thought it had to do with the $text variable... that gives me more to go on
<5> Khisanth: I can resize the bookmark window, and the save-as is the exact same one throughout all of gnome..
<1> Yaakov: are you sure? there is no concatenation anywhere on that line ...
<3> Khisanth: Hrm.
<3> Just a second.
<3> ericka: Which line is reported in the error?
<3> ericka: Line number.
<1> being like the rest of gnome isn't saying much!
<3> ericka?
<4> well, it's line 43 out of a larger script - the one in the if that starts $text
<4> I could paste the whole thing
<3> It might be easier.
<1> hrm an ad that is using SSL
<3> ericka: You might also try changing the ***ignment to print and see if there is anything there to ***ign.
<4> ok
<6> "ericka" at 68.255.25.45 pasted #!/usr/bin/perl -w use strict; at http://dragon.cbi.tamucc.edu:8080/2
<4> I'll go try those things and bbl
<7> consider POSIX::strftime.
<8> hi
<8> i have a question
<7> we may have an answer.
<8> why is it that some channels don't let tor users talk but others do?
<8> ##perl lets tor users talk. i like that
<7> what is a tor user?
<1> there is no ##perl!
<8> http://tor.eff.org/
<3> Khisanth: Sure there is.
<9> cfedde: A whole lot of spam for the most part
<1> heh
<1> tor is a good idea like Communism was a good idea
<8> the DoD didn't invent communism
<10> tor is usefull if you care about being anonymous
<9> dondelelcaro: not very
<11> how to install ssl support using perl scrips?
<7> Tor is An anonymous Internet communication system?
<11> *scripts
<1> being invented by a government agency is by no means a positive
<3> cfedde: Tor is a random multi-hop anonymoizer.
<8> if i have a c++ question, i want to be able to ask someone with a minimum of h***le, like i can with perl
<3> anonymizer, too.
<8> of course, the ##c++ channel is filled with idiots...
<8> so it isn't that big of a deal
<8> but i think it is cool that you allow tor users in #perl
<1> don't make us add a +q for tor :)
<8> ;p
<3> We only allow tor users because there haven't been many recently.
<3> At one point tor was banned.
<3> Too much abuse.
<3> I really wish I liked to write... but I don't.
<12> why do tor users abuse to much?
<5> roflcopters. On dailykos, they're having hissy fits about Laura Bush's "of COURSE Hillary Clinton's remarks were out of bounds!" remark. Someone suggested, "Hillary, they've called you a bitch, OWN IT! WOrk it!"
<9> Tor is never going to work well because it's a bridge between anonymous and public networks
<5> The followup comment: I will give Hillary Clinton every cent I have if she does the z-snap and head-waggle on national television.
<3> Because they are anonymous and can appear from random addresses.
<9> If you want to have an anonymized network, you should keep it self-contained and run apps that are designed for it, if you want it to work well :)
<13> It has that
<11> hello! I am using Active Perl but i dont have ssl module installed I tried to take OpenSSL and compile it but it doesnt works.What else can I do?
<9> hotzoman: use the package installer that ActivePerl gives you. Trying to do it yourself is guaranteed not to work on windows.
<12> you can download a binary of OpenSSL.
<12> or i think you can...
<9> b0at: no, it doesn't. It has something that sort of pretends to be that. But it's still just forwarded TCP sockets
<1> hotzoman: which SSL module are you trying to install?
<1> Crypt::SSLeay can be gotten with ppm
<11> Pete_I> I tried to compile using MinGW but I failed
<13> hobbs: Huh? It has hidden services, which mean there's always content on the network even if you can't reach outside of it.
<9> b0at: right
<3> ericka?
<13> And the hurdles to populating them are low just because it doesn't need special clients, like so much on Freenet does
<9> b0at: but that != either "self contained" or "apps designed for it", and does == TCP. So what are you arguing?
<4> yes?
<3> ericka: Any luck?
<11> Khisanth>Net::SSleay
<4> well, not yet
<13> Why do special apps matter?
<3> Khisanth > Most Modules
<4> I figured out I need to learn more about HTML::TokeParser
<3> ericka: Does printing show a return value?
<3> ericka: Probably a good move. :)
<9> b0at: because, look at the problem with tor right here. An anonymized network isn't the internet. And IRC isn't suitable for use from an anonymized network.
<13> hobbs: You're talking about Tor exiting to the internet and IRC in particular...
<9> b0at: But a purpose-built chat app using the right crypto could be.
<1> Net::SSLeay is avaiable from http://theoryx5.uwinnipeg.ca/ppms
<3> hobbs: The concept of Tor is to provide access to the public net for people like dissidents and other criminals.
<13> What about a SILC hidden service?
<9> b0at: yes, isn't that what I said to start with?
<13> Yes, and that's irrelevant
<4> the only thing I've gotten out of it is "ARRAY(0x19374a8)"
<3> ericka: That is an array reference.
<3> ericka: read perldoc perlref
<14> The perldoc for perlref is at http://perldoc.perl.org/perlref.html
<9> Yaakov: right, and that's fine. All I'm saying is that as long as that's its primary goal, it'll never work very well.
<3> ericka: You have to dereference it. It would be instructive to use Data::Dumper; and to print Dumper($variable);
<4> ok, I'll try that
<3> hobbs: You are a curmedgeon of late.
<3> err
<13> hobbs: So that it tries to provide anonymity beyond its own confines negates what you can do with it without reaching the full internet
<3> curmudgeon
<9> b0at: more or less
<6> "ericka" at 68.255.25.45 pasted $VAR1 = [ 'div', { 'id' => 'he at http://dragon.cbi.tamucc.edu:8080/3
<13> Well I would have to disagree.
<4> that's the output
<9> b0at: you can't have a well-hidden network _and_ have exit points. If someone decided to really care they could crush the entire tor network inside a day.
<13> It's not exactly well-hidden
<13> And yes, they could
<3> ericka: So, you need to use $variable->[0] (etc.) to get those values.
<3> ericka: But what you see that is what there is.
<13> Of course, it would be a great signal to the rest of us if it did mysteriously collapse...
<9> b0at: so with so little protection, it's not even worth the h***le of setting it up. Or the brainpower to develop it when you could have something useful :)
<11> Khisanth>thank you!
<3> ericka: In fact, $variable->[1] is a hashref.
<3> ericka: perldoc perlref and perldoc perldsc should help.
<14> The perldoc for perlref is at http://perldoc.perl.org/perlref.html
<4> Ok, I'll check that out
<3> perldoc perldsc
<14> The perldoc for perldsc is at http://perldoc.perl.org/perldsc.html
<13> To be honest, it's super simple to set up; and the developer doesn't have delusions that it's perfect.
<13> It was just a Navy research project, after all
<15> I can't take any more Java, please take it away from me.
<13> That might be enough for you to steer clear, and that's a valid fear
<8> perldsc looks pretty cool
<9> b0at: ah. Well that does it. Of course the armed forces are allowed to waste our time and money :)
<13> (Note that it's no longer funded by them. The EFF was for a while, but they dropped it for lack of funds.)
<13> So it'll probably die anyway
<15> Alright, why did some developer take it upon themselves to package a 'special' version of Apache which is nothing more than the standard Debian version of Apache with a 'special' configuration file, containing all of *one* extra line. Gaah.
<16> Khisanth: Unfortunately The Net::SSLeay ppms there are outdated.
<17> Hmph.
<9> so buu, let's reinvent the internet
<11> Khisanth>it doesnt work :(
<17> Waaah
<17> hobbs: Will it involve hookers and blackjack?
<9> buu: yes.
<9> buu: on second thought, forget the internet!
<18> go straight to the hookers and blackjack?
<8> why don't you just go to the slots?
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