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<0> doug: Yes. ->content.
<1> http://bulk.fefe.de/scalability/ # somewhere in this
<1> yrlnry: search for the "fork cleanup" heading
<1> ah, it appears to be because it's not an O(1) process wrt number of processes
<2> eww :)
<1> but the amount that linux 2.6 does in constant time is amazing
<2> like infinite loops?
<1> ah, climax of history eh?
<1> Botje: that's only the bogomips benchmark that does that
<2> yeahiknow :[
<1> from the greek
<3> then there is multithreaded perl
<3> I could have a thread per connection
<3> that doesn't sound smart though
<1> no, that's totally insane.
<4> bah whats that module that has rel2abs and other similar fns?
<1> multithreading is hype on a lot of implementations.
<3> heh
<1> Bossmc: File::Spec
<3> yeah
<4> integral: thanks
<1> and imho impractical to program without lock-free composable data structures...
<3> I've written a lot of c++ multithreaded apps... pain in the *** to debug and fix
<3> I'd rather use a select loop instead
<1> mmmm, proofs of lack of deadlocks, lovely :)
<3> and build a message loop around it
<1> it's a pity that current haskell STM can still have starvation, but I suppose you can't win them all
<1> Zeeee`: POE's that already done :)
<1> It's *so* common to do that :)
<3> it's not hard to design a simple select() based message loop system with callbacks and all
<1> right, so why repeat yourself everytime?
<3> sweet
<1> once you've done it once, there's no need to do it again
<3> exactly
<1> (***uming you learnt everything from the first time)
<3> hopefully it was implemented the *right way*
<5> What's the right way?
<1> golly, that site fairly damns openbsd as being _slow_
<3> dngor: well, scalability is a big thing with me... I don't want to have to start editing the POE code
<3> it has to provide enough functionality
<1> hmm, I should upgrade my boxes to 2.6 this easter, see if that improves normal performance
<5> Zeeee`: I can safely say that POE's chock full of functionality. Dunno if the scalability is sufficient, but there's http://jinxedstar.0ne.us/Projects/POEBench/
<6> yrlnry it is meant to be VROOM as opposed to Vroom, it doesn't get past the new() with Vroom but with VROOM at least it says things like:Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at C:/Perl/site/lib/VR
<6> OOM/Search.pm line 115.
<7> omg there was a lot of people here..
<7> I need someone from Sweden who knows perl and php and is willing to work.
<2> jobs.perl.org
<5> Shaquile: jobs.perl.org
<5> If your job is worthy, you will have a lot of people asking to do it.
<7> Fantastic. Thanks guys.
<7> Belive me, it's worthy.
<8> And if it's not worthy, you'll still have people reacting. Just not the good people :)
<1> it's have been nice to compare solaris to the free unices
<8> Shaquile: In fact, if you leave out PHP from the advertisement, expect a higher level of average competence ;)
<7> Juerd: PHP + Perl is needed :)
<8> Shaquile: Every single being on this planet who understands Perl is capable of understanding what's needed of PHP in less than a day.
<8> Shaquile: But everyone who's good at Perl usually hates PHP.
<8> Shaquile: You may want to consider hiring two people.
<9> perl people are smarter. everyone knows that
<1> curiously that appears to actually be true :-/
<10> we should found our own nation and wage war against these php terrorists
<7> Juerd: Hehe
<1> Would the TPF give me a grant to buy a small island and lay fibre?
<6> okay thats just weird, you people must be geeks :)
<8> integral: the the
<11> Juerd: today I mentioned PLP to someone, and they were all like "pfft, it hasn't been updated in four years"
<6> C++ is the purest language of them all, it's eloi
<1> hmm, or maybe we could just buy the Falklands or Gibraltar
<8> zshzn: Right.
<8> zshzn: I wouldn't advise using it.
<11> Juerd: you should update it!
<1> "the the"? dutch?
<12> yrlnry?
<13> Juerd: What *would* you advise? :p
<8> zshzn: I don't maintain it anymore. Bug the new maintainer if you want updates :)
<1> Template-Toolkit seems to be where it's at. Plus Jifty
<8> integral: The The Perl Foundation
<11> who is the new maintainer?
<1> Juerd: oh.
<8> Odin-LAP: Depends on much. I do use PLP often, but typically combined with template toolkit.
<12> PHP is the best replacement for it.
<8> zshzn: Mischa Poslawsky
<7> Bah
<11> heresy!
<7> Who's the best in here?
<8> Yaakov: That hurts.
<9> me
<1> hmm, if we wait until all the british navy uses windows NT, the falklands would be easy to invade
<12> Juerd: php is 66% of plp!
<8> Yaakov: :(
<14> Shaquile the best in what?
<12> Juerd: But, while you were actively maintaining it, it was CLEARLY bettter.
<12> See, THREE t's!
<7> Ani-_: In Perl and PHP.. and working together with others.
<8> Yaakov: Computers weren't so cheap back then.
<12> Heh.
<8> Yaakov: PLP was mostly written to perform extremely well without giving up dynamics.
<5> integral: You'll need ORA's blessing if you want to call your island The Republic of Perl.
<8> That's no longer needed as much.
<12> Juerd: we need a replacement.
<8> Yaakov: I've been considering several angles, but lack tuits.
<1> dngor: I hate calling things republics that don't follow Plato luckily
<8> Yaakov: Why a replacement, by the way? PLP is still there.
<5> integral: So you're a Democrat?
<1> How about "Integral's Benevolent Dictatorship, and Sheep Cooperative"
<12> Juerd: but it is rotting. We need a VITAL replacement.
<1> dngor: left-wing nationalist liberal
<1> (pro-europe)
<8> Yaakov: I don't believe in bitrot.
<1> (and green)
<12> Juerd: It isn't the bits in PLP, it is the bits in everything else changing.
<8> Yaakov: Well, nobody has cared enough yet to write a backwards compatible patch
<12> Juerd: I know. It is sad.
<1> hmm, I need something else for my last vote :-/
<8> Yaakov: While it can't possibly be more than an hour of work and testing.
<8> Yaakov: My guess is that PLP is used very, very little.
<12> It should be used more!
<1> oh, no, that is five parties
<0> Yaakov: Yes?
<12> Do you know the name Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi?
<12> yrlnry:
<0> No.
<12> yrlnry: He might have something important to say, I was hoping you knew.
<12> Also, I found that Telarc has an anonymous ftp server with a buttload of MP3s from a lot of their ablums. It is going to take some work to sort them out, though.
<5> Yaakov: All these sound files are from the 1940s!
<12> They are all new recordings. Cl***ical, Jazz and Blues.
<12> The files are named for the albums, so if you google for that number in there you can find the album.
<5> Check the file dates, though.
<12> I see 2003, but also, you need to go to the telarc/mp3/ directory for the full length files.
<12> I see 01, 02, 03, and 04 as the years.
<1> o_O no directory listing for /, and it's running NT...
<5> Firefox is DTWT with the dates, then. I'm seeing 4/6/39
<1> cmdline ftp on macosx shows them fine
<15> Deep recursion on subroutine "main::hashout" at ./gcvalmech.pl line 34.
<15> hm.
<5> ncftp does the right thing. firefox loses here.
<9> i've got a slight problem. all the Rose::HTML:: objects are too long to type
<1> sili_: there was a planet.perl.org post recently on this
<1> use the "aliased" CPAN pragma
<9> got link, or what usable keywords
<9> i'll check
<1> http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/28612?from=rss
<9> thanks
<1> sigh, drag and drop of urls from safari is so useful
<5> sili_: I mapped F3 and F4 to word completion commands.
<12> This Al Dimeloa cut is nice... 83481-4-128.mp3
<9> dngor: not everyone uses l33t editors
<5> sili_: I know. It's tough being as cool as us.
<5> Or, I guess, as we.
<12> I am going to have to delete 80% of the tracks, blues I don't care for, some opera I don't like...
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