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<0> Step 1: determine what needs done.
<0> Step 2: Locate Knuth.
<0> Step 3: Wait until the fonts and typesetting systems are done.
<0> Step 3. Run algorithm provided by Knuth.
<1> Step 5: Eat more dougnuts
<0> *sigh* I wish that emacs used something better than elisp, I wish that I could use emacs.
<2> hah!
<0> But the problem is that perl ****s :-(
<0> and the other problem is that perl6 is way too complicated to implement :-(
<0> a scheme emacs would be nice
<0> (sxmacs, or something exists?)
<3> integral - what in particular bothers you about elisp?
<0> I dunno
<0> (defun) and stuff.
<0> stuff mainly.
<0> And I thought it was all dynamically scoped, rather than fiercely lexical like scheme
<4> i'm writing a Perl module - how would i tell Exporter that i want to export $foo by default (package var)?
<3> um, 'defun' bothers you? (defun foo ()) bothers you where (define (foo)) would be preferable?
<0> actually I wouldn't use scheme for an editor since it has continuations, not sub-/delimited continuations
<0> ayrnieu: I dunno really, just sort of unlexical and stuff
<3> why would continuations bother you?
<0> because subcontinuations are much more powerful in an environment like an editor
<0> since you don't want to abort to too high up
<2> encryptio: put it in @EXPORT
<3> encryptio - 'perldoc Exporter' should have suggested that.
<5> The perldoc for Exporter is at http://perldoc.perl.org/Exporter.html
<3> 'perldoc SHUT THE **** UP' helps with bots, rarely.
<6> yay, that tie thing looks magic
<3> integral - so, mainly you are discomforted by elisp's !lexicality?
<2> integral: you'd rather not have a wand of kill to wave arround?
<2> -r
<6> thanks :)
<0> ayrnieu: I guess so :)
<4> stupid me - should've checked. *headclunk*
<0> but I've never been terribly comfortable with hooks in anylanguage :-/
<3> integral - with hooks? Why?
<0> Botje: all mine are empty :-(
<0> ayrnieu: well they're all over the place
<3> integral - they're all over modes.
<0> yeah, everywhere
<3> what alternative is there?
<0> I don't know.
<0> I'd love to know though, and POE::Pipeline is interesting
<7> how do i find out what compiler was used to build perl?
<0> perl -V
<8> anyone know of a better way to collapse an array into a scalar than: $scalar = join '', @array;
<9> depquid: what's wrong with that way?
<0> that's how you do it. well, there is unpack "(a)*"
<0> that's how you do it. well, there is unpack "(a*)*"
<4> or just simply $s = "@a"
<0> no, you need local $" = '' if you're doing that
<8> nothing really, just seems syntactically awkward
<0> $s = do { local $" = ''; "@a" };
<0> no, what I just wrote is syntactically awkward :)
<4> indeed
<8> yeh
<10> "@a" does join $", @a internally anyway
<8> i c
<0> "Yes", said the Cabbage to the Turtle.
<11> Cabbage makes you g***y.
<0> But can be used as a substitute for plastic.
<11> I think the best character in Bulworth is the fithy dirty old grandma.
<0> "so quid pro quo, ipso facto, ergo rectum"
<11> lollersk8tes u sed rectum
<0> bah, too far from dictionary
<0> eheu or something I seem to recall
<0> http://www.minimus-etc.co.uk/activities1_page.htm # Goldilocks et tres ursi
<0> err, sorry, Auricoma apparantly.
<11> I'm trying to decide if its too white trash to sew patches onto cargo pants when they develop holes.
<0> I don't understand cargo pants, they all seem to be made of stupid thin material
<11> These aren't. They're super-thick, but I've had them for like a decade or so :(
<12> how come autoconf hates perl so much?
<11> Sibling rivalry.
<12> heh
<0> because metaconfig is better
<0> I mean, it's *interactive*
<0> you don't need a command line longer than your OS maximum
<0> "Don't override your pure virtual private abstract copy destructor operator without sacrificing a goat to Bjarne. You know. Rules."
<0> Stroustrop is now also on my kill-on-sight list
<12> integral: regardless of what's better, that doesn't change the fact that $PACKAGE uses autoconf, and $PACKAGE's autoconf script won't find XML::Parser
<12> integral: why, he's a nice guy ;)
<0> rtyler: **** $PACKAGE, sed Makefile.in into Makefile manually.
<12> (he was one of my professors last year ;)
<0> eww.
<12> heh
<0> I guess the Big Question is Are Design Patterns and PBP equally dangerously books, or is PBP actually fine to let averages near, and corrupting to those above?
<13> HATE.
<0> FIRE.
<13> hMPH.
<11> PHOENIX
<13> Your termcap does not specify how to change the terminal's width to 132.
<13> wTF?
<14> POE question, I have a $kernel->post($id,"event",$arg) and I need to delay it, how can you do that sensibly ? (delay seems to be unable to handle giving it an ID)
<0> Ikarus: there's some kernel method sfor doing stuff with IDs
<0> oh, I know what you mean.
<0> use a state on your current session to proxy to the other session by call
<14> integral: might I say I do not understand that :)
<12> heh, besides the GNU channel, is there a channel i can drop into to bitch and get help with this stupid perl+autoconf+module+hell problem
<0> Ikarus: create a state on the session that is doing the posting.
<0> delay on *it*, giving it $arg and $id as arguments.
<14> ah
<0> Have it do $kernel->call($id,"Event",$arg);
<14> That I do get :)
<0> it's a proxy pattern! It's also a continuation-based-calling pattern
<15> GumbyBRAIN: ***!
<16> simcop2387: Aye, *** changes are a vital part of the forest at noonday - and in the first excitement of love and sorrow; but this effect is exceedingly feeble dawn which made me really love that never did i occupy myself in some respects must have deposited the parchment securely away, dismissed all farther progress impeded by the shores of these monstrosities were sufficiently explicit on that bitter cake.
<12> whymight I be able to run cpan as a regular user, but not with sudo?
<12> /opt/local/bin/wget
<12> whoops
<12> apple% sudo cpan
<12> sudo: unable to execute /usr/bin/cpan: No such file or directory
<12> apple%
<5> - -
<12> but just running `cpan` works
<0> "no such file or directory"
<0> check your paths.
<17> can perl programs have as much whitespace as I want?
<0> yes.
<0> They can also contain cabbages and camels.
<12> integral: apple% which cpan
<12> /usr/bin/cpan
<12> apple%
<12> mmmm, cabbages and camels
<17> I meant like is (1,2,3,4) the same as (1 , 2,3 4)
<12> integral: got it, conflicting versions of cpan.. weird
<17> integral:is (1,2,3,4) the same as (1 , 2,3 4)is (1,2,3,4) the same as (1 , 2,3 4)
<17> sorry hit paste twice
<0> yes.
<17> hmm
<17> what about new lines and tabs?
<4> still the same
<17> hmm
<4> as long as there isn't a semicolon.
<4> >.>
<18> rtyler sudo which cpan
<12> linuxnohow: ahh, good idea ;)
<19> how can I split a string into twos, eg. $string = "1234"; @a = split(/something/, $string); print @a; gives ("12", "34")
<20> jbalint: @stuff = $string =~ /(..?)/g;
<19> Thanks alot.
<20> yep
<19> What does the ? at the end of the parens mean?
<4> it means the last . can be used 0 or 1 times (can or cannot be there) and the regex will still match it
<4> perldoc perlre
<5> The perldoc for perlre is at http://perldoc.perl.org/perlre.html
<19> Oh yeah, I thought it was something different, i remember a little more now. I was think about when it's in the front.
<21> "joey__" at 66.180.175.30 pasted "Just Another Perl Hacker" (32 lines) at http://erxz.com/pb/570
<4> yeah. (?...) is special. a ? elsewhere just means "0 or 1 times the last thing"
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