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<0> Yaakov: Shiira... haven't heard of that one
<1> well, not so much "other things". C is actually a very simple language ;)
<2> simcop2387: Safari has its troubles but it isn't the nasty pig that firefox is. I use IE with Windows and Safari or Shiira with OS X
<3> Paladin`: think quick and dirty
<2> simcop2387: OS X only, very nice.
<4> pravus: think wrong and broken
<0> Yaakov: hmm i'll look into it, too bad i can't use it
<2> simcop2387: Uses webkit, so it is 80% Safari.
<4> >:>
<3> Paladin`: depends on how much time you want to spend on a job. if it only runs once and works good enough ;)
<0> FINALLY php is done building
<2> simcop2387: Soon you will be able to download a cracked version of OS X!
<2> simcop2387: And run it on your Intel box.
<0> Yaakov: not until it can do xen virtualization
<5> cracked version of an OS??
<1> eDhat: you say this like it's a new thing
<0> actually... you might be able to do taht with OSX
<5> yeah, i never knew about that
<2> The main thing will be drivers, since they are certainly going to limit the hardware support.
<2> But with Darwin out there already...
<0> thats where xen virtualization comes in
<2> I run Linux on my prosthetic spleen.
<2> It keeps locking up.
<6> hmm suddenly I wish I was using Haskell :P
<7> kernel panics: not good
<8> Khisanth: omg lisp is better
<6> no it isn't
<1> sili: not
<8> Khisanth: yes it is
<8> Khisanth: it does everything haskell does
<8> and if it doesn't, you could add it real easy!
<3> is there something called "defun" in lisp?
<8> except for stronger typing... that'd be tricky
<8> plus it'd be pretty slow
<8> so maybe lisp does **** :(
<9> pravus: yes?
<0> lisp is teh <blink>****</blink><antiblink>hotness</antiblink>
<9> (defun is in elisp and common lisp ; define is in scheme)
<2> I can't understand Lisp.
<8> Yaakov: it's omg easy
<2> All the keywords are slurred.
<0> Yaakov: take normal code, add about 4,000,000 parenthensis
<9> lisp is fairly parallel to perl
<9> (defun foo () 2) <--> sub foo { 2 }
<3> bpalmer`: ahh... i knew about define
<3> for some reason every time i see the word lisp, defun pops into my head
<2> (((((((((print("hello")))))))))))
<8> Yaakov: !
<8> (format nil "hello")
<8> or something.
<0> unlambda for all!
<2> I need to invent a language.
<8> Yaakov: can i help?
<2> I will call it hobbs.
<0> Yaakov: make it fun like unlambda
<0> Yaakov: make its implementation called calvin
<1> yay. fame.
<2> I can't beat Piet, though.
<0> the first implementation anyway
<1> simcop2387: no, "calvinball" :)
<2> Piet is too great.
<0> Piet?
<10> lisp is only good for writing emacs macros.
<1> simcop2387: it's an abstract-art programming language
<0> ah oh yea that one, i've been wanting to play with that one
<9> does it support dada?
<0> alter it to be useful for stenography
<1> bpalmer`: there is only de stijl!
<2> stegonography?
<1> stenography is something entirely different ;)
<2> Yes, quite.
<2> Though there were a lot of nice stenographers.
<9> a lot of mean ones, too
<11> Johann Gutenberg comes to mind
<12> If we don't save the result from fork is there any way to determine if we are parent or the forked child?
<11> he was a right bastard
<12> (and don't save our PID from before the fork)
<1> var1ety: don't throw away useful information :P
<12> my situation is like this : in this codebase we fork a process to run a long function. this function has its own error handling and on an error doesn't return to the controlling process. If we're a forked process I'd like to mail the information, but I have to determine this without the help of anything from the time at which I first forked. I was thinking that maybe I could examine STDOUT/STDERR to see if they're pointing at /dev/null
<13> var1ety: Don't you only call the function in the child?
<12> buu: it's sometimes called by the parent. It's confusing, and it wasn't designed with forking in mind.
<8> i like how php leaks like a bitch and eventually all the apache processes are 120mb
<2> Shabbos is nearly here.
<1> var1ety: so why can't you just change it to keep the return value of fork again?
<14> sili: not very memory efficient, is it
<1> var1ety: or even do $::XXXHACK_THIS_IS_A_FORK=1; as the first line of code in the child :)
<8> SimonRaven: it's the ****ing worst
<8> i ****ing hate php
<12> hobbs: Is that the syntax to access a global variable from a module?
<14> even mod_perl on a bad day does a better job
<15> using Getopt::Std, getopts('oif:'); gives all boolean arguments. Does getopts(':oif'); make them all non-boolean?
<8> rasmus and andy are a ****ing joke
<8> die bitches
<1> var1ety: yeah. Well, more or less
<12> hobbs: Thanks, I think that would be the best solution in this specific instance, so I will look further into that.
<15> nevermind, i see how it works now
<16> perldoc splice
<17> perldoc -f splice
<18> The perldoc for splice is at http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/splice.html
<16> ah, ok
<19> >>
<19> scheme is deceptively hard to parse
<16> I need help with splice: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8456
<19> uhh
<19> splice(LIST, START, NUMBER)
<19> not splice(LIST, START, END)
<20> does LWP:: have a http server?
<19> splice(@array, $x, 1) # removes 1 element, starting at $x
<1> Pete_I: no, HTTP:: does :)
<20> right, right, thanks
<1> Pete_I: or better, POE:: does (it's so nice, you don't even have to understand POE to use it, and you _also_ don't have to worry about methods for forking)
<20> ok
<1> that's PoCo-Server-HTTP of course. It's like a baby apache!
<0> who wants a free webmail account that can't send or recieve SMTP traffic?
<1> simcop2387: so it's only good for talking with other people on that service, is that the idea?
<16> I need help with splice: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8456
<1> pianoboy3333: you need to not repeat and read the answers you were given
<19> hobbs: nah
<19> oh, wait, nevermind
<19> I misread that
<19> pianoboy3333: I answered you already
<0> hobbs: no it can't even do that currently
<19> the format is splice(LIST, START, COUNT), nor splice(LIST, START, END)
<0> hobbs: if i could get real SMTP out i'd set it up to come in
<19> *not
<1> simcop2387: oh. heh. I thought you meant this was a _feature_ ;)
<2> ELLY
<2> DON'T DIE SOON
<5> any one have a hacker game script?
<2> LOVE,
<2> YAAKOV
<0> hobbs: nah, mostly a PITA because of spam, if i can get it setup to send and recieve mail i'll give a few people accounts because it can also do calendars, notes, tasks and other things like that
<19> YAAKOV
<19> OKAY
<19> LOVE,
<19> ELLY
<2> Yay!
<5> so anyone have one?
<19> eDhat: uhh...what does a 'hacker game script' do?
<2> IT MAKES THINGS DO STUFF MOSTLY
<2> OR NOT
<5> its a hacker game (all text)
<0> hobbs: i could however set it up to grab a yahoo account and provide you with IMAP access and webmail still, along with better spam filtering, but still the problem of sending mail :(
<19> you could write one
<19> Perl is good at text
<0> well dinner time
<1> simcop2387: I dig. But no, I don't need anything like that right now
<5> Elly: i know, i just starting perl, so i would like some source to read from, and using that make one of my own :)
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