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<0> bet there is a module for it though ;)
<1> __Ace__ - are you *still* obsesssing
<1> please stop. :(
<0> obsessing?
<1> Yes you can do CS101 in Perl
<1> should yo, probably not.
<1> get over it.
<0> ?
<1> the P in Perl stands for Practical
<1> if you have a real world task that needs optimizing, ask the question
<2> Pasta
<1> bringing your baggage in here doesn't help
<3> __Ace__: do what you want... just realize that Perl is a language that abstracts those kinds of things for you
<4> For CS101 in perl see Mastering Algorithms with Perl by Orwant et al.
<1> exactly
<1> been there done that
<4> bought the t-shirt
<5> Maybe I should read that.
<3> ate the gravy?
<4> heh.
<0> um, yea, but I love working in Perl.. although it may be best do to some kind of binding to C if one wanna do a LL
<1> WHY do you want to do a LL!?
<1> ARGH!
<4> __Ace__: perl is all about AVOIDING that kind of pain.
<1> stop it
<3> merlyn: because they are cool! give it up!
<1> LL is just a strategy
<0> I was just asking cuz of http://perlmonks.com/?node_id=30939
<1> and Perl has better strategies
<1> Stop obsessing on the opinion of one node.
<1> it's just an opiunion!
<3> use a profiler if you think performance is bad
<0> man, someone woke up on the wrong side
<6> I know I did.
<3> otherwise <theo_de_raadt>stfu and code</theo_de_raadt>
<0> but thanks for feedback
<1> you're guilty of prmature optimization
<3> merlyn: what if the goal is learning?
<1> then get that book from orwant
<1> but don't talk about it like "I need it for speed"
<1> show me the profiling output before you got there
<3> you can't learn from a book alone
<1> Right. get the book, play with it
<1> but stop talking about it here like "perl's not fast enough... I need LL"
<1> I say show me the profiling
<0> I wasnt saying that
<3> well, if you are worried about speed, perl isn't the lang anyways
<7> pravus: unless for you speed means time spent writing+time spent running
<1> Well - yes, Perl's just fine
<1> but you need to optimize only WHEN you need it.
<3> dondelelcaro: true... i was talking execution speed though
<0> obviously, if the array would be > 1000000 I would surely use some kind of db anyway
<1> write the code, get it right first.
<1> then profile, and see where you NEED to fixt things
<1> odds are, you're talking network these days anyway
<7> pravus: I suppose; but I'd rather have results faster. ;-)
<1> and it's not you that's the bottleneck
<0> so much data -> so much mem used
<1> if you're worried about mem, use PDL
<1> PDL buils compact data structures
<0> cool
<0> gotta check it out
<0> ah
<1> But Stop With The LL Talk
<1> please.
<0> what? I offended you?
<5> YES
<0> um.. sorry then
<4> The Global WE is Offended.
<4> 24 DEMERITS!
<0> really?
<0> damn
<5> (__Ace__)--
<4> 100 DEMERITS and WE CUT YOUR CL*** TIE!
<0> Tie::Ace ?
<3> going once... going twice...
<0> hmm
<0> why isnt there a op here?
<0> *an
<3> __Ace__: who needs ops?
<0> ab, nice. "we're all on same level"
<0> *ah
<4> one will appear should one be needed.
<4> it's magical
<3> not really... you will be +b'd if you step over the line
<3> but it's fairly rare
<0> my god really, I didnt really expect anyway to be offended by that
<0> *anyone
<0> actually, Im all for Perl :)
<3> __Ace__: i don't really think anyone took offense
<0> hmm
<3> at least, i didn't... but i have no personal stake in perl either
<7> we're just violently interested in you doing the right thing, instead of wasting your time.
<4> DBD::SQLite::db do failed: not an error(21) ?!??!
<0> actually, Im doing stuff almost always in Perl..
<3> cfedde: 21 is a drinking age... not an error... ;}
<4> pravus: apparently so.
<0> most of the time I dont need to control every byte
<3> __Ace__: perl kind of dictates a different philsophy on solving problems
<0> yea?
<3> __Ace__: i came from a primarly C background and it took me a while to think in perl
<0> can you elaborate?
<3> the way you solve problems is just a bit different
<3> one thing: there are no character arrays
<3> you can emulate them with split //; but that's normally not needed.
<3> you find other ways to solve problems... perl ways
<3> you bend perl to your will
<3> when it wants to bend that is
<0> the thing with Perl is that you can concentrate more on the problem to be solved using perl than other problems using i.e C
<3> __Ace__: yeah. you tend to think higher-level in perl than in C
<0> yea
<0> but a C background can be good to have
<3> it's a bit different... and i'm still adjusting
<3> personally, i think a C/asm background is great, but i'm not always in the majority on that one
<2> a black background is the best
<2> easy on the eyes
<3> now we just need the black language
<1> I hate reading light on black
<1> I hate websites that force that on me
<1> I hate even more, onces that force $random_light_color on black
<0> actually, websites with white background are easier to read on when its daylight
<1> or even $random_light_color on $ugly_contrasting_dark_color
<3> i prefer a light background... unless it is a terminal window
<4> even then.
<1> I'm typing this in a terminal window that is black text on white, which is absolutely my choice.
<0> mirc's default ;)
<3> merlyn: for some reason i cannot stand that... *shrug*
<5> Ouch, I like light grey on black background - so much easier on the eyes.
<3> ahh... the memories of mIRC... how i used to hack thee
<3> dec++
<8> I have black on #CCCCC for webbrowsing and a browser that forces that on all webpages, I find it easiest to read
<1> maybe it's because I read a lot of *real* paper as a kid. :)
<8> although my IRC is a slightly lighter grey background
<3> white on blue is not bad though
<4> I like light amber on black. especialy if I can get light diagonal sync lines across the screen.
<0> I love pink on yellow
<0> lol
<4> though phosphor green is fun too.
<3> amber, grey, green on black is good for me
<1> red on green!
<4> Yowza
<5> (Christmas theme)++
<3> i need to get my terminal working again!
<1> "my eyes - the goggles do nothign!"
<0> btw
<4> I like ink on paper pulp
<5> merlyn++ #simpsons references
<0> something totally not perl related.. anyone here know a shell which one can "maximise" in windows?
<0> aka cmd
<3> __Ace__: cygwin?
<0> hmm
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