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<0> aha
<1> locsmif, bak stay the same for each person?
<0> Yeah German does it too afaik
<0> Termy, ik bak, jij bakt, hij bakt, wij bakken, jullie bakken, zij bakken (i you he we you they)
<2> in German, thanks to noun cases, I think word order is a bit flexible. but if you're putting a verb in the infinitive, and it has an object, I'm pretty sure the object comes first
<1> second you formal?
<0> err no, formal would be 'u bakt' and it is equal to 'hij' in its form
<3> second you is plural.
<4> how can i list all files in the directory?
<1> ah
<1> you all
<3> fowlduck: using opendir() and readdir()
<3> perldoc -f opendir
<5> Type 'perldoc -f opendir' in your shell or go to http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/opendir.html
<3> perldoc -f readdir
<5> Type 'perldoc -f readdir' in your shell or go to http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/readdir.html
<2> fowlduck: alternatively, using the glob() function
<0> our formal 'you' is same as 'you' in h@x0r speech :/
<1> well I guess I can't criticize people for using it anymore
<0> |ac3|, i can't get negative zero width lookeahead ***ertion working yet
<1> I'll ***ume as if they are just speaking formally to me.
<2> Italian is interesting with formal 'you': in the distant past they used 2p plural for this, like French does, but now they use 3p feminine singular, capitalised
<0> Termy, how do you know in English if you are formal
<1> :/
<1> well there is a polite conditional tense
<2> locsmif: there's no distinction, except that you don't call the person by their first name (:
<0> peterS, ah, that's odd
<1> but there is a polite conditional tense in most languages
<0> Termy, how does that look?
<1> instead of saying 'go get me some water' to your brother, to a waiter it could be like "Could you please get me some water?"
<1> or
<1> "would it be possible to get more water?"
<0> Termy, "ungeboren" for example is Dutch for "unborn"
<2> yes, "could you" instead of "can you"
<0> ;)
<2> "would you" instead of "will you"
<0> err "ongeboren"
<1> yes :)
<1> switch the words and you get the true meaning
<1> "you can get me more water"
<1> "you will get me more water"
<1> I find the conditional tense more polite than the future tense anyway
<2> "I would like" instead of "I want"
<2> also conditional
<1> if I was a waiter, I would be... well not offended, but annoyed, if someone were to say "Get me more water"
<0> Termy, although the answer to conditional tense can be always "yes" or "no", if you want to be annoying, hehe :)
<1> heh
<0> and then do nothing ... ;)
<1> true... very true
<1> You could say... "I /would/ love to" in response
<2> Italian equivalent: "verrai" (literally: I would want) instead of "voglio" (I want)
<0> "Do you know what time it is?" "Ofcourse!"
<0> ok
<1> spanish... quiero (I want) me gustaria (it would be pleasing to me)
<2> French: "je voudrais" (I would want), "je veux" (I want)
<1> locsmif, hehe
<1> I like doing that to people too...
<1> peterS, latin now? ;)
<0> #perl : "Can someone help me with a problem?" "Yes."
<2> I told you, I don't know Latin (:
<1> heh
<1> locsmif, heh
<2> I certainly can't conjugate modal verbs in the conditional in Latin (:
<1> Hopefully I'll be able to soon :D
<1> as soon as I get off this internship and go back to school... I hope to study latin and farsi again (on my own)
<2> ha, you just used a modal verb. but in the future.
<0> $ echo -ne "test.php\ntest.php.old\n" | perl -n -e '/(?!\.php)$/ and do { print $_ }'
<1> heh
<0> test.php
<0> test.php.old
<0> hmmm ...
<2> Gary Larson ought to do a comic strip about life in Persia. "The Far Si"
<1> :) farsi :D
<1> One of my closest friends is persian, he doesnt speak it fluently, but his parents do
<1> look at all those comma errors..
<0> The Pharcyde
<0> so, does anybody know what i'm doing wrong with that lookahead ***ertion there?
<2> Termy: ok, my Latin dictionary doesn't list a conditional tense. I wonder if that means it doesn't exist
<1> thats interesting
<0> peterS, i think it does
<0> potesse comes to mind
<1> see if you can find an online version of 501 latin verbs ;) each verb is conjugated and named as a tense
<0> peterS, perhaps look that up
<1> peterS, I'm pretty sure a future tense exists, im not sure why a conditional tense wouldnt
<1> locsmif, How did you learn english so well?
<2> oh yes, several future tenses exist
<1> peterS, in spanish (can't speak for most romance languages) its almost as if conditional is a variation of future
<1> hablare
<1> hablaria
<1> take the stem and add something
<1> perhaps latin is a bit the same
<2> yes, Italian and French also conjugate conditional and future with the same stem, if I'm not mistaken
<0> Termy, my dad's an English teacher
<1> locsmif, heh, you're lucky ;)
<2> this thing actually lists the future perfect indicative, future imperative and future infinitive. I don't think we have any of those in English.
<1> habitually I wish that my parents spoke a language other than english
<1> peterS, which thing?
<2> Termy: my en<->la dictionary, which gives some common verb conjugations
<0> $ echo -ne "test.php\ntest.php.old\n" | perl -n -e '/\.(?!php)[^\.]+$/ and do { print $_ }'
<0> test.php.old
<2> what's a future infinitive? "to do something later"?
<1> the future infinitive? We dont have that?
<1> I am to do my homework before 3.
<2> present infinitive: "to go". future infinitive: "to ... go later"?
<0> |ac3|, seen that?
<1> I am going to do
<1> :/
<1> but thats present
<1> and dealing with a near future
<1> like voy a hacer
<2> Termy: right, 'I am going' is actually a gerund form of to go, but it's really sort of an idiomatic compound tense
<6> hi ;=
<2> Termy: also, what is future imperative? in English we only have present imperative
<0> |ac3|, heh, dunno if you're still listening, but actually this seems to work too:
<0> $ echo -ne "test.php\ntest.php.old\n" | perl -n -e '!/\.php$/ and print'
<0> test.php.old
<1> you will do?
<1> :/
<1> but we dont really have a tense for it
<6> what is the inverse function of chomp?
<1> besides
<2> Termy: no, 'you will do' is future indicative, not imperative
<1> imperative is usually a mood, is int it?
<2> hundfred_: $foo .= "\n"
<2> yes it is a mood
<0> ofcourse /\.php$/ or print would work then too.
<1> I kinda wonder why some tenses just die
<7> eval: (3 unless 0)
<5> Fennec: Error: syntax error at (eval 166) line 15, near "3 unless"
<6> peterS: that didnt work :|
<7> eval: {3 unless 0}
<5> Fennec: 3
<7> eval: {3 unless 1}
<5> Fennec: 1
<1> like the future perfect subjunctive and the future subjunctive in spanish
<2> also, I'm intrigued to note that the subjunctive present and the imperative present, in Latin, do not resemble each other. in all other languages I know, they are closely related.
<1> I think someones speaking mandarin in my office right now
<1> really they dont?
<2> ("all other languages" meaning English, French, Italian, Lingala. They all have both imperative and subjunctive present tenses which resemble each other.)
<1> interesting
<0> what is subjunctive?
<1> What is lingala exactly?
<1> locsmif, I believe its translated as that something
<1> like
<2> iso-639 code 'ln'. spoken around equatorial Africa
<1> I want that you do or something
<1> english doesnt really use it much
<7> locsmif: it's a tense not used much in English. "Let them eat cake."
<2> locsmif: the German term for subjunctive is 'konjunktiv'
<2> (maybe Dutch is similar)
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