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<0> GumbyBRAIN: mom::simple
<1> simcop2387-zauru: Feyd, even though it doesn't mean it's simple, it just wouldn't spool the document.
<2> someone fed GumbyBRAIN Dune?
<2> buu: ***uming it's 60606 or close enough, there are two on this site that you could have for $40 shipped
<2> buu: well, $40.48
<3> whats the best way to switch the first and last 5 characters in a 10 char string? like aaaaabbbbb = bbbbbaaaaa
<2> substr($foo, 0, 0) = substr($foo, 5, 5, ''); works, but with any luck it can be made cleaner :)
<4> Why not use reverse() ?
<2> because we can ***ume that the first and last five characters are usually not all the _same_
<2> oh, btw, $foo .= substr($foo, 0, 5, '') should be a bit more sane :)
<2> more obvious what it does, and there's only one substr call :)
<2> but if you might have more than 10 characters in the string, the first one wins :)
<5> eval: $foo = "aaaaabbbbb"; $foo .= substr($foo, 0, 5, ''); print $foo
<6> Botje: bbbbbaaaaaReturn: 1
<5> ehm.
<5> wtf
<5> dries@kaa ~ $ perl -le '$foo = "aaaaabbbbb"; $foo .= substr($foo, 0, 5, ''); print $foo'
<5> aaaaabbbbbaaaaa
<2> Botje: you're using '' inside single quotes
<5> oh
<2> Botje: so it evals to nothing and perl is seeing substr($foo, 0, 5,)
<5> :(
<2> Botje: I did the same thing ;)
<5> :p
<7> Ahah
<8> ehh, how to get vi to use perl syntax? i've installed the vi perl thingy
<2> sdakota: :syntax on, ***uming that it's recognized the file as perl
<5> :set syntax=perl
<9> :syntax enable
<9> :set ft=perl
<8> thanks
<2> sdakota: also useful to put into vimrc are "filetype plugin indent on" and "let perl_extended_vars=1" -- unless you don't like either of those
<2> and "colo elflord" because anything else is heresy
<7> elflord is ****ing blinding.
<7> Hrm. Anyone on a reasonable fast connection want to send me the starcraft iso?
<8> wow cool
<4> buu is a software p1r8!!!1
<5> OMG PIRACY
<7> ew73: Naw, I can't be a pirate
<7> I own starcraft
<7> Thus making it impossible fo rme to pirate it.
<4> That's what YOU think.
<7> Pssh.
<7> Now shut up and send.
<10> sup guys
<5> /dcc send buu hello.jpg
<7> Botje: Boring.
<10> anything good been happnin lately
<5> ah, i forgot. buu is a platinum member of the Goatse Appreciation Syndicate
<7> No
<7> Send me sc
<11> dammit, will someone make perl fast.
<7> integral: perl6!
<2> buu: so is $40.48 too much? :)
<4> buu: IF you can't find SC in some random torrent, you ****ing ****.
<11> buu: Pugs *****S*
<7> hobbs: No, I'm just too lazy to wait
<7> ew73: They're slow and stuff =[
<7> I found a ****ing bw iso too
<4> Lurkers pwn.
<7> Yeah, they do.
<8> how to capture a ctrl+c and use it? (or capture signals)
<11> did people use perl for CGI scripts before multi-gigahertz computers?
<11> sdakota: $SIG{INT}
<2> sdakota: perldoc perlipc , the very beginning
<12> The perldoc for perlipc is at http://perldoc.perl.org/perlipc.html
<5> integral: writing gigantic security holes a la Matt really doesn't take much (brain|cpu)power
<8> integral: what to do with $SIG{INT}? Where to use it? Do I need to make that a reference to a sub or something?
<11> Botje: ah, they just didn't use modules
<2> buu: I'd send you this one for a twenty, but it's not really mine ;)
<11> sdakota: perlvar would seem kind of obvious...
<13> buu++ # perldoc bot works!
<2> perlipc is slightly less obvious, but more informative :)
<8> integral, ok
<11> oh dear, I predict that buubot will be banned soon for that one.
<11> oh, lovely, the idiot uses /amsg
<4> People used perl for cgi! Mostly it was mod_perl though.
<2> nah, mostly it was CGI
<11> like back in '98
<11> but I never remember using DBI in a cgi, just DB_File. Maybe DB_File is m***ively faster
<2> stupid mediawiki title inadequacy. The closest it can come to "mod_perl" is "Mod perl" because timwi is a little bit dense
<4> Back then, the general strategy was something along the lines of making a dbm full of "parsed" data and running a cron to keep the dbm updated.
<11> it's amazing they haven't fixed that
<2> and to me that means something altogether different. :)
<11> ah, DBI is about 0.173s but DBI_File is about 0.098
<2> integral: they could have years ago if they had any sense, but if they did now everything would break
<11> I guess that makes all the difference
<11> they wrote mediawiki from scratch dammit
<2> yeah. Awful PHP scratch with the most disgusting parser ever
<11> it's not like it took them long to get rid of WikiWords for the majority of linking, going back to good old original hypertext linking
<4> Hey now.
<4> There are children present.
<11> Best to start cursing perl asap...
<2> integral: see, the sensible thing would be to change it over to a "case insensitive / case preserving" system (with the obvious extension to certain-punctuation-insensitivity)
<11> *nod*
<2> integral: but if they did that they would suddenly have a million clashes because for example both "eBay" and "ebay" exist
<11> ugh, why?!
<2> one is a redirect to the other of course
<11> ugh, idiots
<5> ONE TRUE CAPITALIZATION(tm)
<4> That's an easy solution!
<4> Just append all articles to each other and let the users sort it out.
<11> IF YOU USE ALL UPPERCASE IN YOUR URL, JUST TRANSLATE EVERYTHING TO UPPERCASE
<5> I LIKE THAT IDEA
<14> CLEVER!
<7> NO, I THINK IT IS UNHAPPINESS MADE MANIFEST
<11> ew73: no, no think Web 2.0. Make the site one page which is a big XML document of *everything*, and then add javascript, CSS and XSLT to implement the links
<4> Horray!
<7> integral: Dude, brilliant.
<14> NO, CAPITALS ARE TEH CORE OF WEB 3.0!
<7> Wikipedia as one page.
<14> ALL YOUR LOWERCASE LETTERS ARE BELONG TO US!!!!111ONETHOUSANDONEHUNDREDELEVEN
<4> Articles can come up in a 200x600 box!
<14> alright i'm done.
<11> tiddlypedia
<7> ew73: Reasonable.
<4> And on the right side of the browser, you can see a scrolling list of WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE READING
<2> integral: and the first-character-caps and underscore thing is done with a down-mapping, which is why the system is completely incapable of storing a name with an underscore or a lowercase first letter
<8> can I use exit() to jump out of an eval too? like die() but without any message?
<10> what message do i put at the beggining of every perl program again... #! usr/bin/perl?
<11> urk
<5> #!/usr/bin/perl
<5> actually.
<11> qwerty_: don't use a relative path like that
<4> Sometimes #!c:\perl\perl too.
<11> sdakota: exit exits the program. goto will jump out of an eval{}
<7> sdakota: What happens when you try?
<7> ew73: #!/perl/perl
<2> integral: because "mod_perl" maps to database key "Mod_perl", and "Mod perl" maps to database key "Mod_perl"
<7> hobbs: Hilarious.
<2> integral: but "mod_PeRl" maps to "Mod_PeRl"
<8> ok, thanks, integral
<11> "database"
<2> integral: because it's only case-insensitive on that one letter. To make it nice for people who want to make a link the first word of a sentence
<11> good to know that mysql supports columns though
<2> integral: _that's_ the excuse
<10> integral: why shouldnt i use that?
<11> qwerty_: because it's STUPID, and you will SMELL
<2> qwerty_: and it mostly won't work
<10> truthfully...
<11> unless running stupidix
<10> so what should i put?
<7> qwerty_: They told you
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