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<0> i've had mine for a year and a half now and its fine aside from the small hinge issue that they fixed rather quickly
<1> yeah, scrottie, apparently some guy's dell laptop blew up in the middle of a conference...
<2> jdv79: I don't understand the question, but Yaakov thinks Thinkpads are lighter than Toughbooks for similar configurations. If this is true, it's only marginally so, and I consider the semi-ruggedness a major feature. Especially with my history with laptops.
<3> I have jerkwad neighbors lighting commercial grade fireworks across the street.
<4> Elisabeth: And once, I saw hitler at the mcdonalds!
<1> so now I don't care if I get a big discount on dell, I'm just not buying another
<2> Elisabeth: I saw that.
<2> KABOOM!
<2> Lithium Ion.
<1> and the fact that ryan mentioned that if I replace the hard drive, it's not a dell any more, therefore it doesn't work. That's just ****ty.
<5> I forgot to spend this weekend finding irresponsible teens to hang out with for Tuesday. Curse.
<3> The other think about the ThinkPads is that they are BETTER than the Panasonics, morally.
<4> Yaakov: And plato though buzzards had 3 testicles.
<2> Got a friend who works in a robotics lab. He had a nice blackened patch of cement wall where he did something similar. Lithium ion is touchy about how much you discharge it (0% charge is actually about 10% charge, or else they blow). And how fast you charge it. Etc.
<3> buu: This program you are watching is injuring your soul.
<2> Ack... they sabatage it so you can't replace the sabotaged hard drive? That's just ****ed up
<0> eh, its just LI batteries in general - nothing to do with dell or any other manufacturuer
<4> Yaakov: Good lord, have you told it?
<3> scrottie: I charge LiION batteries by hand.
<2> Yaakov: That is true -- IBM cares a **** of a lot more about us Linux dweebs than the Japanese, with their government mandated Microsoft *** kissing and all
<3> scrottie: I use my bench supply and monitor the current.
<4> haha
<0> Yaakov: not worth it - there are ICs that are built for the purpose
<2> jdv79: No, it has a lot to do with the manufacturer. Manufacturers that build extremely high-draw machines but don't put enough cells in the battery work the batteries too hard, and then you get bulging, funny smells, and explosions.
<3> LiION requires constant voltage charging, but to do it fast you have to change is as you go along.
<2> Yaakov: Neato!
<3> jdv79: I am well aware of the various options.
<4> When the pope is crowned, they carry him on a chair above the cardinals. And as he p***es he lifts up his robe and the cardinals testify as to the state of his balls
<3> jdv79: In fact, I am building a power management board.
<0> why when its "done" - unless its just for fun
<3> buu: You are custom-made for this crap, did you know that?>
<4> =[
<4> Yaakov: Why do you dislike reality?
<3> buu: I don't.
<0> scrottie: the number of cells is a pretty useless measure
<4> Yaakov: But I'm learning.
<0> capacity, ok.
<2> Elisabeth: Well, I hope the machine works out for you. I also hope it says "Made in Japan" on the bottom rather than that one country whose name I can't remember how to spell...
<1> well let me see
<1> haha
<1> it hasn't been ruined yet
<3> scrottie: The biggest danger from LiION is from over-discharge idling causing shorts.
<1> actually worked quite well for the couple weeks I've had it
<3> scrottie: That's what makes things go BOOM.
<1> just like this computer started working better after I stopped talking to Dell.
<1> why is that?
<3> scrottie: If the individual cells get below two volts, the little management board in the pack shut the output off.
<0> Yaakov: you are really doing that?
<3> scrottie: The battery just stops working.
<2> Yaakov: Okay, can you explain more specifically why PowerBooks batteries are bulging?
<3> jdv79: Doing what?
<2> Yaakov: And I am right to see that discharging the pack too quickly causes premature failure?
<2> er, say, not see
<0> building a LI power mgmt setup?
<1> scrottie, made in china.
<3> scrottie: Over-discharge (rate) can cause venting, and ulimately kill the sell.
<1> none of the above.
<3> jdv79: Yes.
<3> cell
<3> not sell, cell.
<0> i used to find that sort of thing interesting, weird
<2> Elisabeth: Suggestion: Sell it on eBay and buy a Thinkpad. Even a used Thinkpad with no warranty.
<1> why's that?
<2> ELisabeth: Apologies for being a cynic =(
<3> scrottie: I think there is a good article, just a second.
<0> scrottie: you can probably google it or wikipedia it
<2> jdv79: stop talking to me.
<1> btw, scrottie, where do you get all this laptop info?
<6> "ofer0" at 62.90.76.238 pasted "I'm trying to use an existing cookie, and it gives me an error." (16 lines, 260B) at http://sial.org/pbot/18169
<2> Elisabeth: Like I said, I have about half a dozen machines in the bone pile...
<1> I've seen good reviews and stuff on mine...
<1> or maybe I should be asking: what have you done to them??
<1> j/k
<2> Elisabeth: Reviews never get around to reliability. All of these harddrive review sites run benchmarks but never publish anything resembling observed MTBF data. And they keep praising Maxtor. They're all idiots.
<7> Hey, I'm trying to use a cookie. This code runs perfect on my computer, but on my server it gives the 500 Internal Server Error. When I comment those 3 cookie-lines, the page runs perfect on my server. http://sial.org/pbot/18169
<2> Elisabeth: They live life in a book bag and spend the vast majority of their time powered on. They sleep when they're in transit, usually.
<1> oh
<1> well that's not good for the laptop...
<3> scrottie: http://www.batteryuniversity.com/print-partone-12.htm
<4> ofer0: Error log
<1> mine's not supposed to be on for more than 24 hours.
<7> buu, there's no error log, just 500 Internal Server Error
<2> ofer0: What do you mean "works perfect on my computer"? Are you running a Webserver on your computer to test with?
<4> ofer0: There is an error log. Please read it.
<1> (that's what I have my desktop for.)
<7> scrottie, no, im just running the script to see if there's a syntax error
<2> Wait... the manual actually says you're not supposed to leave it on for 24 hours?
<7> buu, what error log?
<1> yeah
<4> ofer0: The web server error log.
<1> scrottie, it also says it can burn you, so it doesn't get sued
<7> Premature end of script headers
<7> This is the error from Apache
<3> DO NOT USE THE COMPUTER FOR RUNNING APPLICATIONS
<1> and it takes 3 different batteries....but hey- my camera says that and it (the camera) really doesn't.
<0> ofer0: something is getting output before your http headers
<2> Elisabeth: Okay, seriously. I'm not just being nasty. That thing has been m***ively marked up by Best Buy and by Toshiba. It probably cost them $400 to build it. It's trash. Sell it on eBay and pick up a ThinkPad.
<1> I think we paid $1,045 for it
<0> ofer0: its a painfully common issue
<1> the other laptops had less on them and were more expensive.
<2> Then it probably cost them $300 to build.
<3> GOOD NIGHT ALL
<2> Don't buy a machine by specs alone.
<0> nite
<7> jdv79, so what can I do? :(
<2> That 2.8ghz CPU won't do you a damn bit of good if you can't stand to look at it in a year, if it's still working at all.
<1> ryan liked it too...
<2> Okay, that's harder to argue with.
<0> ofer0: use CGI::Carp and/or fix whatever is causing the extra output.
<2> ofer0: You're probably not outputting your HTTP headers correctly.
<7> scrottie, print header;
<7> after i get the cookie
<1> haha
<2> ofer0: run it at the command prompt. Nothing should be output before the Content-type: and Cookie: lines. Then there should be a blank line before any other output.
<2> ofer0: Test it. Warnings on some Webservers can screw things up too.
<7> Do I have to take the cookie before or after I send the headers ?
<2> The cookie line is part of the headers.
<2> But botching that won't cause that error.
<2> Printing data that isn't headers while headers are still going out will.
<2> Run the script at the prompt and see what it outputs. Paste it into one of the pastebot things.
<2> perl whatever.pl 2>&1 | head -30
<2> export QUERY_STRING='foo=bar' to keep it from asking for test mode CGI input
<1> scrottie, I'll let you know if I have a problem with it :) (I didn't buy it; mom's fiancee did)
<2> Elisabeth: Cool. And don't forget to make backups frequently!
<1> and he has a vaio that has a bad battery lifespan.
<2> No harddrive can be trusted with data.
<1> oh I do
<1> that's what extra drives and dvd's are for.
<2> Heck yeah!
<7> Thanks guys, it worked
<1> there isn't anything on it right now...
<7> :)
<2> ofer0: Okay, so now it mysteriously started working? I'm confused.
<8> eval: my($u,$p) = ("a","b"); if(($u == 'a') && ($p == 'c')) { print "Yes"; }
<9> rutski89: Yes 1
<0> ofer0: cool, good luck.
<7> The problem was that I need the send the header BEFORE I ask the the cookies
<1> scrottie, I learned to make backups all the time when someone gave me their old 2gb laptop, while we were filling up the 40gb desktop in our house and thinking of expanding it.
<8> why does that print "Yes"?
<0> short circuit evaluation
<7> rutski89, because you should use 'eq' for strings
<1> well, of course it all works until a disk drive starts failing.
<2> jdv79: STFU!
<0> er, no
<2> rutski89: use eq to compare strings and == to compare numbers
<8> ofer0: oh, oops
<8> yea
<0> scrottie: i am not talking to you
<2> rutski89: <= >= <=> for numbers, lt gt cmp for strings
<7> i just love perl more and more every day.
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