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<0> defcon8_ - you're bordering on trolling now
<1> eval: $_='$';m/['#$]/ ? "Match" : "No Match"
<2> Ani-_: Error: Unmatched [ in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m/[ <-- HERE '#5.008007/ at (eval 134) line 15.
<3> merlyn, i'm not trying to be a troll
<3> i just want to know what it is
<4> for this, tie will work. thx merlyn, hobbs !
<0> OK - there has been plenty written up on perl v python
<5> I comprehend lists.
<1> So that's a yes.
<6> defcon8_: list comprehensions are unnecessary when you have the basic building blocks to play with
<0> don't make us repeat it here
<7> hobbs, and for x in list?
<0> list comprehensions are because Guido doesn't understand the value of a lambda expression
<8> eval: $_='\\';m/['#\$]/ ? "Match" : "No Match";
<2> erikh: No Match
<8> merlyn: thanks
<0> if he understood it, python would be a lot more powerful. :)
<9> I don't think that's true.I M
<0> but he doesn't exactly understand OO programming either
<0> I know I've watched him try to code OO
<10> pyeval: [x for x in 1,2]
<2> buu: [1, 2]
<10> YAY I know python!
<9> List comprehensions were invented by the Haskell guys, and they absolutely do understand the value of a lambda expression better than anyone.
<0> retardo - stop interjecting facts into this conversation. :)
<11> it's a pain that they binned monad comprehensions, they're cooler
<1> pyeval: print "Me too"
<2> Me too Ani-_:
<6> defcon8: you mean the enumerate one? Well you could write 'enumerate' in one line and put it in List::Util. Feel free. :)
<10> retardo: This is the flame python hour.
<1> output--
<9> So I don't think you can conclude that guido doesn't understand lambda just from his inclusion of list comprehensions on python. I think you can conclude it from the fact that python has this thing vcalled "lambda" that is cripped and useless.
<10> Ani-_: Er, weird. Oh, I know why.
<0> yeah - I was just mixing two unrelated items to rant better.
<9> And from the fact that every time he talks about lambda expressions he makes totally plain that he doesn't understand them.
<0> that's how rants are supposed to go.
<9> Oh, sorry.
<0> heh
<0> no problem. :)
<6> defcon8: well, you don't get the lazy aspect of it with cheap syntax, but we're waiting on p6 for that ;)
<0> we obviously have a python fanboy in our midst that doesn't understand why perl still has any traction.
<1> eval: "helllo\rhello";
<2> Ani-_: "helllo\x0dhello"
<7> but the syntax ins't messy like perl
<0> so I'm handwaving a lot.
<7> perl looks very hard to read to me
<0> greek is hard to read to me
<6> defcon8: yes it is. It's just messy in a really sparse way :)
<11> is perl still way, way faster than python?
<0> anything you don't undersatnd is hard to read
<0> wow. this is monday
<10> It is indeed.
<9> All day!
<0> And I'm goofing off!
<10> merlyn: Are you still yapcing?
<12> i know, it ****s to be at work
<0> I'm happily home
<0> trying not to do any work
<10> Ah. Nice.
<0> but I keep irc'ing. :)
<0> and answering questions
<0> silly me
<10> That's work?
<0> in the way I work, yes.
<0> actually - I gotta write two magazine articles
<0> I think I'll do those tomorrow
<9> Write while you sleep!
<12> who for?
<10> merlyn: BBB + yahoo-search
<10> 10 lines of code.
<10> (With 200 thousand lines of dependencies)
<0> I've often been accused of writing while asleep. :)
<13> merlyn: TO compensate, I sleep while reading your books.
<0> if that works for you, you'll have to teach me!
<5> Such is the circle of Perl
<1> You should write a book about it!
<9> Does it work to put the book under the pillow and let the knowledge seep into your mind?
<14> is YAML a good idea for storing Perl app data?
<0> Storable is better
<15> the tooth-fairy will just steal your book.
<0> truth-fairy will ignore you. :)
<5> gr00ber: If it fits and needs to be read by other things, that can be a good thing
<16> retardo, that used to be my favorite way of studing for history tests in school
<13> retardo: I think so. It is how I learned brain surgery. I have had NO complaints from patients.
<17> retardo, pillows are way too thick for that, you can't have more than a half inch of foam between your head and the book, and even _that_ reduces throughput by up to 50%
<9> It seems to work for a lot of people.
<14> b0at, right
<11> jsn: feather pillows
<5> I like to bring YAML up whenever people are talking about stuffing stuff in XML. Serialization: the anti-markup! AWAY!
<13> merlyn: Maybe you could do a Vomit Comet Perl Cruise...
<18> marienz: if the command length is >=599 chars it always segfaults, and I dont think that this is a coincidence ..
<14> b0at, anti-markup?
<19> norc: beginning to sound like 'bash is broken'. Backtrace would be nice
<19> norc: also, I think this is the wrong channel.
<18> marienz: what might the right channel be? :S
<15> the -Wall gcc flag was made for Larry >:)
<20> w00t, i finished my guess-the-animal program
<9> guess-the-animal++
<19> norc: well, this is #perl, and we're discussing bash segfaulting because of number or length of commandline args, which we were previously discussing on #gentoo :)
<18> Ohh, sorry, my fault :)
<18> Forgot I switched
<21> norc: "obviously" #zsh is the right place
<18> kspath: rather #gentoo :)
<20> so is the until or while part of a do-loop not in the same scope as the do-block?
<9> samu2: Unfortunately not.
<9> perl "do" blocks are item #1134 on the list of Things About Perl that ****.
<17> do block ****?
<0> without do blocks, some other constructs would be harder though
<17> s/k/ks/
<0> you'd have to write them as sub { ... }->()
<17> how do do blocks ****?
<0> and before 5.004, that'd be &{sub{ ... }}
<0> do blocks with loop modifiers don't respect last/next/redo
<0> that's part of it
<0> do blocks look like a subroutine, but don't respect return
<17> hmmm
<0> anyting else, retardo?
<9> anything else what?
<0> regarding do blocks
<0> those are the two key points
<0> I can't recall *ever* writing a do-block while/until
<0> I generally just write a naked block with a redo
<0> { ...; redo if $cond }
<0> then I can get out of it with last, etc
<9> If only life were like that.
<17> do { ...; redo if $cond } doesn't work, but { ...; redo if $cond } does. That is odd
<0> yes - welcome to our world. :)
<17> seems to save typing :)
<6> ==> Auto-install the 41 mandatory module(s) from CPAN? [y]
<22> POE does not thread at all right? ie I can't use $kernel->post to make something run in "background" while normal stuff is running?
<23> row: POE kind of simulates threads
<0> you can "run" things cooperatively
<0> there are items in the cookbook that talk about that
<0> basically, you need any heavy code to yield to itself until done
<0> that lets other sessions to get a chance to fire
<0> s/sessions/events/
<22> indeed.
<0> if you can't do that, you can always fork with Wheel::Run
<0> and then get your results back from the kid when he's done
<22> cookbook as in OReilly?
<0> poe.perl.org
<22> ah
<22> ta
<24> quick question, are modules over at CPAN thrown to the mercy of some approval process?
<0> "ta"? are you being charged by the character?
<17> Hey, does poe.perl.org use a particular templating system?
<0> kanzure - only peer review
<0> by putting comments and ratings
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