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<0> 1140390000
<1> should it be in base?
<1> ah ha, I spelt it wrong
<1> thanks again depesz
<2> Yaakov: ntpd doesn't handle timezone!
<2> Yaakov: all of it's timestamps use NTP time which is rougly UTC
<2> *roughly
<2> it just feeds unix epoch time into the OS, and it's date(1)'s, localtime(3)'s, etc job to apply timezones.
<3> right, the OS doens't know about timezone either
<3> that's all done in libc
<2> libc is part of the OS.
<3> ok, sorry, the kernel doesn't know about timezones
<4> salut
<4> est ce qu'il y a qlq'un
<2> perlbot .ma
<5> .ma is Morocco
<1> perlbot .***
<6> my ($val = $hash{key}) =~ s/from/to/; <--- fails
<6> what am i doing wrong there?? :-/
<2> your my is in the wrong place.
<6> "can't declare scalar ***ignment
<2> (my $val = $hash{key}) =~ s///
<6> ah-ha
<2> the my goes with the $val, and nothing else.
<7> 16:57 < zerarda10> est ce qu'il y a qlq'un
<7> Damn, that language ****s.
<7> I think I'd commit suicide if my language's "anyone here?" would be that complicated.
<8> you'd just sneer at other languages "this way is more flexible!"
<9> OK, I officially despise Daylight Savings Time.
<9> We just started using DST here, and ntpd is IGNORING it on FreeBSD. I cannot find why.
<2> Yaakov: NTP DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
<2> Check your timezone database (eg. /usr/share/timezone). It may need updated.
<10> hey guys, is anyone aware how can I get grep -E not to match a certain string, eg make [^cow] not match just "cow" and not "ocw", "www", etc
<9> integral: It does when it decides that my time is AN HOUR OFF
<2> Yaakov: no, false.
<9> integral: When ntpd goes to set my time, it tells me I have an offset of an hour.
<2> Yaakov: "TZ=UTC date" should be saying your time is 15:19.
<10> it might not be the proper place to ask, but I have no hint as where I could;)
<2> Yaakov: on a PC? perhaps your BIOS clock uses local time instead of GMT
<0> flock-: i doubt if grep has such an ability
<9> Yes, it does, and adjkerntz has been run.
<10> I am asking about the extended set of regexen, was just wondering if a hack exists there
<0> flock-: in perl regexps - yes
<0> in grep's - i dont know such a hack
<10> besides [^c][^o][^w]:)
<10> yeah, in pcre I am capable of doing it
<10> thanks alot though
<0> flock-: [^c][^o][^w] is not good.
<9> integral:
<9> date
<9> Tue May 2 11:21:41 EDT 2006
<2> yaakov?
<2> and TZ=UTC date?
<11> flock-: grep -E -v [cow] ?
<9> time.nist.gov 2 u 32 64 1 0.428 -259200 0.000
<9> zdump UTC
<9> UTC Tue May 2 15:22:59 2006 GMT
<2> o_O
<9> Something is broken.
<2> Yaakov: what offset should EDT be?
<10> goldfish: yeah, but I need a different part of the expression to not be inverted
<12> EDT is UTC-4
<12> or GMT-4
<9> Yes, -4
<2> that's incredibly weird
<12> we shifted from -8 to -7 overnight
<9> The RedHat boxes worked fine, the FreeBSD boxes are hosed.
<12> Maybe they have very old rules
<12> my openbsd box worked fine
<9> I gave them brand new rules, I had to--we haven't used DST for decades here.
<12> $ date; date -u; => Sun Apr 2 08:25:59 PDT 2006 Sun Apr 2 15:25:59 GMT 2006
<12> "here"?
<2> Yaakov: what does your date -u end up saying if you use ntpdate to set your date?
<12> are you in east indiana or arizona?
<9> Well, ntpdate is choking and dying.
<2> o_O it is?
<12> that's not good either :)
<9> It seems unrelated, it doesn't like the configuration (the server lines).
<9> merlyn: I am in Indiana.
<2> Yaakov: ntpdate doesn't use "server lines"...
<12> ahh
<2> we are talking about ISC ntpd, right?
<9> 2 May 11:27:37 ntpdate[45085]: no servers can be used, exiting
<12> so east indiana finally went like west indiana?
<12> that probably means just not configured
<12> what's in /etc/ntp.conf
<9> merlyn: No, all of Indiana uses DST now, some in EST and some in CST.
<12> I have "servers pool.ntp.org"
<9> merlyn: ntpd RUNS, as pasted.
<9> ntpdate doesn't.
<12> well, ntpdate is separate from ntpd
<2> the problem won't lie with ntpd itself, but the kernel or other userspace
<2> Yaakov: oh, you're running ntpd at the same time as ntpdate? you need to use -u to ntpdate
<9> ntpdate time.nist.gov
<9> 2 Apr 11:29:29 ntpdate[45271]: step time server 192.43.244.18 offset -2592001.278367 sec
<12> yow.
<12> how did your clock get that far off.
<12> eval:2592001/86400
<13> merlyn: Return: 30.0000115740741
<2> *blink* are you sure the day/month part of the date was set right? :-)
<12> that's 30 *days* off
<12> no wonder it's confused. :)
<9> OK, even though the clock DID NOT CHANGE, ntpd is happy now.
<2> Yaakov: but did the *date* change? :-0
<9> Yes, No.
<12> it's probably sleweing 30 days for the next 3 months. :)
<2> s/:-0/:-)/
<12> so your clock will be off a bit more every day. :)
<9> Og, wait, it DID
<9> Huh.
<9> That's... odd.
<9> I didn't notice it, and neither did you.
<9> Even though I pasted it here.
<9> Wow.
<9> That's... annoying.
<9> I think it is OK now.
<12> heh
<9> But... I was so focused on the time, that the date was invisible.
<9> I think I know how it happened, too.
<9> Well, I feel better now.
<9> Thanks!
<9> It is also a good lesson... always read all of the output when the results are impossible.
<9> 2 Apr 11:34:22 ntpdate[45649]: adjust time server 192.43.244.18 offset -0.033675 sec
<9> Much happier!
<9> Whew.
<9> By the way, some (otherwise very savvy) users decided to switch to New York on OS X to get DST.
<9> I had to gently suggest that was not nominal.
<14> is there a ready function that can escape all regexp special characters in order not to treat some string as regexp, but rather normal text in an expression like this: /$string/ ?
<2> quotemeta.
<2> also \Q\E escapes inside a string/regexp
<2> well, inside an interpolating quoting operator really.
<12> so why are you using a regex where a simple index would do then?
<9> I don't like ntp anyway, it is acranity personified.
<1> can I have a 3 dimensional hash
<2> ^prism: yes. in 2 ways.
<1> $blah{blah}{bleh}{brah}
<12> only if you load the emacs extension
<1> integral, how
<12> 3-d editing is hard.
<12> those red-blue gl***es, etc.
<1> lol
<2> ^prism: yes, like that. But also by the multi-dimensional hash feature.
<15> ^prism: and that doesn't work for you?
<14> merlyn, good question, but there seem to be no strstr() in perl.. i could be mistaken of course
<9> merlyn: LCD shutter gl***es!
<12> ongeboren - index()
<1> zshzn, to be honest I never tried I just have never seen anyone do that so I ***umed i would ask first :o
<2> ongeboren: it's called index... like merlyn said
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