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<0> rutski89 - no
<1> perldoc perlipc
<2> Type 'perldoc perlipc' in your shell or go to http://perldoc.perl.org/perlipc.html
<3> http://www.skorpione.de/htm/gastautoren/a_tietz/a_tietz_galerie/buthidae%20c.l.%20koch,%201837/centruroides%20exilicauda%20(wood,%201863)/imagepages/image4.html
<0> in general, killing a parent, or exiting a parent, has no effect on the child
<4> kitchen's url is at http://xrl.us/pwcg
<3> lots of those
<3> free to good home. s&h extra
<5> merlyn: then how come it often happens that it does, and sometimes doesn't?
<5> merlyn: is "killing" the same thing a "exiting normally"
<3> maybe I'll take a few pictures of the beasties and upload them to wikipedia
<6> merlyn: I think killing a parent will cause the child some emotional damage.
<5> merlyn: I have this bot that spawns children to listen on various services such as AIM, IRC, MSN, YAHOO etc... When the parent exists so do the children; usually anyway...
<1> rutski89, to make sure of it, you must wait()
<5> ah, wait(); yea, that rings a bell
<5> yango: ty
<1> in perlipc there's a pretty good example and explanation
<0> if a parent "exits normally", then the child gets inherited by init
<0> that's the normal unix way, anyway
<5> yea
<5> I get it now
<0> now if the child has a pipe to the parent, and writes to it, they get a sigpipe
<0> which will normally kill it
<0> but otherwise, a child is unrelated to its parent
<0> init = process 1
<5> cool
<0> child getppid() == 1
<0> however, a ^C is sent to all processes on a tty
<0> so if the child isn't ignoring ^C, then that will kill it too
<0> ditto sighup
<5> oh, so that's why they all tend to die when I kill the parent
<0> if that's the way you kill, it, yes. :)
<5> but not when I'm debugging, because then I've got debuggers on different TTYs
<5> well that pretty much answers it then :)
<0> differently-tty'ed debuggers
<5> merlyn: yup, that's the way I usually kill it
<6> rutski89: I feel slightly obligated to mention POE, so consider this the mention : )
<5> PerlJam: heh, yea; duly noted
<0> thanks - now I don't have to mention it. :)
<5> woohoo, less work for merlyn
<0> 2 week trip just completed - check
<0> 2 week trip begins tomorrow - check
<1> 2 hours chatting in #perl - check
<0> welcome to my life. :)
<5> lol
<3> client paid by - check
<0> client has not sent a - check
<7> "cheque"
<3> country of client - check
<5> merlyn: is it hard to find work in the perl world? When I go on craigs list and such all the adds are of PHP/MySQL position :( Rarely do I see one for perl.
<5> merlyn: then again your sort of well known so it must be easier
<7> I thought that was because there were too *few* perl programmers?
<0> my experience at finding a job will vary greatly from most people's
<5> yea
<6> rutski89: jobs.perl.org
<5> good point
<0> I've invested a lot at "being famous" instead of "having a resume" :)
<5> lol
<3> perl isn't shiny, so people don't hire as much for it
<5> PerlJam: nice
<8> craigslist attracts the bottom feeders. I wouldn't look there
<5> jpeg: yea, that's how I'm staring to feel; good point
<6> jpeg: maybe rutski89 is a bottom feeder? :)
<5> :(
<0> craigslist is to ebay what ebay is to the net. :)
<6> merlyn: do you ever get bitten by being infamous?
<0> if ebay is the net's "garage sale", craiglist is the net's "stick it on the board at the grocery store"
<0> aka - even more pathetic. right next to the "missing dog" sheet
<8> craigslist is only slightly better than rentacoder or whatever. it's useless for finding gigs.
<0> do you mean has my conviction affected my employment? hell ya
<0> over and over again
<0> and still
<3> I'm guessing the local sniper has really cut down on the door to door solicitors
<6> merlyn: weird. I would have thought that wouldn't matter but little these days.
<0> a conviction is for a lifetime
<3> the gov't never forgets?
<0> especially a felony
<0> especially three felonies
<0> I am permanently tainted.
<0> "damaged goods" in more ways than one. :)
<1> and especially with things related to what you work in, or that's not relevant?
<6> merlyn: yeah, but the story is wide spread and most people in this industry tend to side with you from what I've seen.
<0> luckily, I started with a pretty good sense of skill. :)
<0> I never have problem with the grunts
<0> only the PHBs and the legal depts
<3> so, low score on cunning then? :-D
<0> the grunts yell at the legal depts to let me work anyway
<5> merlyn: you've been in jail?
<0> that's what happened at this Very Large Client for the past six months
<0> rutski89 - only briefly
<0> just to get arraigned
<5> merlyn: did you really do it?
<9> ooo ***y
<0> or rather, booked after my warrent
<9> Was it like Prison Break?
<0> warrant ?
<5> merlyn: wait, what's "it" in the first place?
<0> perlbot, fors
<10> Just another convicted Perl hacker or http://www.lightlink.com/fors/
<0> there is no dispute on the facts. I even volunteered all the facts ever used.
<0> the only question is how they should be interpreted.
<0> so I did "it", but I argue that "it" wasn't criminal, even under the statutes.
<5> merlyn: what is "it"?
<0> rutski89 - go read
<0> I'm not retyping those pages. :)
<5> ah, ok; the link
<0> heh - amazon thinks I should buy a canon rebel just because I bought a 2GB flash card. :)
<8> volunteering the facts was the tragic mistake there
<0> jpeg - thank you for that salt. I'll apply it to my wound, right here.
<11> It's an exciting tale of *** and lies only without the ***.
<6> jpeg: how many times have you had jack-booted thugs, er, police with warrants at your door?
<0> Oh - I'm telling the story at Dragon*Con again this year
<0> So I'll have another audio recording of my FORS talk again
<8> merlyn: oh, did that hurt?
<0> the salt just now? :)
<6> merlyn: the clear solution is for you to run for office and then pardon yourself and get the laws changed :)
<1> or move from the US
<12> heh
<12> PerlJam can be vice-prez and perl will automate.
<6> he doesn't have to be president, just governor
<12> you'd want perlbot or something on your cabinet.
<13> hi all! do someone can help me in a little thing with perl-tk (Text Widget)?
<6> T-d-L: only if you get to the point and ask your real question :)
<13> ok, thanks! :-) I'm not able to read text from a Text Widget. I've also read the documentation, perldoc but I've not find anything of working... :-(
<13> sorry for my english, I'm italian...
<5> merlyn: so you did a p***word strength check and they tried to sue you!?
<0> It's likely that my taint would follow me even if I moved to another place.
<0> Or even prevent me from taking up residency.
<14> guys
<0> rutski89 - they've never tried to sue me.
<14> how can I set Content-disposition header by using CGI module ?
<0> Sir_J - by reading the CGI.pm docs, perhaps?
<14> I've read
<5> merlyn: huh?
<14> didn't find
<0> it's under the "header" method
<14> $cgi->header( -??? )
<6> rutski89: merlyn's was a crimminal case, not a civil case.
<0> "Any other named parameters will be stripped..."
<0> that's exactly the sentence you need to read
<5> oh, so "sue" isn't used to describe criminal cases?
<14> merlyn, yep
<0> yes - sue is about civil tort
<0> where I believe you have wronged me, but not violated any laws
<14> merlyn, man CGI or what document ?
<0> so I try to get money from you in compensation
<15> push @list, chomp(sort ( `ls -l`)) : why wont this work?
<0> Sir_J "perldoc CGI"
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