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<0> That's a lot of ports.
<1> yeah, I was looking for stuff on PIC programming =P
<1> why using the magic 0x11 as ICW1?
<1> specificallly what is that "edge tirggered mode" and the interrupt vector size for?
<2> this is a more detailed, and also harder to understand, description of how the 8259 works and is programmed http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/6.828/2005/readings/hardware/8259A.pdf
<2> oh yeah, and this is a more friendly doc: http://www.nondot.org/sabre/os/files/MiscHW/8259pic.txt
<1> eieio: is that a scan? the pictures look horrible
<2> umm, i don't know, probably
<1> oh
<1> those bits are just for differences on different PC archs
<2> yeah, pretty much
<1> I understand that you send the ICW3 on 0x21 as 0x04 to set the slave on IRQ2, but what you do with the slave pic on 0xA1?
<2> send 0x02
<3> 2
<1> why?
<3> to tell PIC that it's on second line of master
<1> why 0x02? wouldn't that mean on IRQ 9?
<1> or since we are on slave/master that word gets a different meaning?
<3> ICW3 send to master is interpreted differently than that of a slave
<3> for master, it's bitmask of slave PICs on IRQ lines
<3> for slave, it's cascade IRQ number on master
<1> eieio: that txt you gave is kinda incomplete/wrong I think, cause it's say it's used is identical on master and slave
<2> hmm, yeah it appears so
<2> i hadn't read it in a while
<4> <3nokia
<5> <3lg
<4> nokia bought me lunch today
<5> http://www.neotokyo.phear.org/2007/01/18/mon-nouveau-jouet/
<5> ^- lg ;-)
<2> hmm, is that teabagging nokia and lg?
<4> but does nokia buy you food?
<5> it did, once
<5> when I worked for it :-)
<4> :)
<6> BOINK
<4> bbl, pissing oontest
<7> lol
<4> brr its kinda cold outside
<7> well - at least you wont get hit by loose parts from the nearest woods when going out
<7> (im germany atm)
<4> hmm
<4> wind?
<4> i wish 'joe' had a split screen mode that went side by side rather than up/down
<4> objc or C++? :)
<6> Question: There is X amount of money. Hw to divide it amonngs people and organisations (university, firms, hospitals etc.) in my lego city A) all money equally amongs humans, no money for orgs B) organizations get with their human amount C) with estimated usage D) equally amongst organistaions E) equally amongs humans and organisations. give 2 for best, 1 for second best!
<8> mur: remove the concept of money and restudy the human moral, ethics and life.
<8> I guess we have enough evidence that money may not be the best approach to any kind of society.
<8> Still people are of different value, but money does not represent that value.
<6> Cheery, it is just simulation
<6> Cheery, i agree with you in that
<6> i'd abolish money alltogether in real life, but this is just simulation, where stupid actions may destroy stuff :D
<8> total destruction == always satisfying ;)
<6> Cheery, so forced to that decision, what is the best and 2nd best out f those?
<8> hmm, in that case, A goes for anarchism, at least so I could caught it; if there are organizations, those need public domain money.
<8> E) goes for closest to meritocracy, I guess.
<8> C) sounds the most preferrable; more you use, more you get.
<8> Depends largely about what do you want.
<7> hmm
<2> nn: C++
<4> C++ makes me sad
<4> im writing GUI stuff and obj-c looks ***y for it
<2> why is that?
<7> nn: imho one should use python for gui
<4> because it seems it would integrate well with my message p***ing between applications on the device
<6> Cheery, it is just initial distribution of capita
<6> not of the system :)
<4> applications can send notifications of their events between each other, such as "Incoming IM", "Outgoing IM", "Incoming Call", "New contact",etc
<2> it's really just notation
<2> if that's all you are considering then go with what you like best
<6> Cheery, after initial distribution it works just like evil capitalism. although it's not as bad because lego people dont die in cold or hunger, like humans do :P
<6> neither lego people go insane of bad treatment
<4> i wish C had a 'this' notion
<2> c++ has a bad rep because it's often abused by entities like MS or people that know little about what they are doing
<8> hmm...
<8> What if you'd program them to go?
<8> :P
<8> That'd be neater
<6> hehe
<4> i suppose i could write a small message bus implementation in C++
<6> sure,ill have mental department in hospital
<6> hehe
<8> what kind of lego -thing are you talking about? Do you have some kind of game there?
<6> Cheery, so, what's your preferred start position for distributing money in lego city simulation?
<6> no game irl simulation
<2> nn: c++ has a lot of power and flexibility. but you don't have to over complicate things. if you keep it clean and don't go into a CS orgasm then c+ is quite nice
<6> all the things will wrk, just different way
<4> eieio: really, i dont need rtti, etc. I just use Cl*** and the 'this' notion of self
<4> i dislike rtti
<8> hmm, drop it from the heavens and let the biggest mother****ers go and take much as they can carry while making sure that overcarrying kills.
<2> then that's fine
<2> i disable rtti for most of what i do with c++ anyway
<4> i very much like strict languages, less room for error
<4> i'd -like- to have an insanely strict language derived from C, C++, obj-c, and say python
<8> :) If you happen to be in position of programming such game, I possibly have one neat resource for causing interesting behavior.
<2> most of the uses of rtti can be supplanted with interfaces anyway, which are much cleaner and more efficient
<8> mur: here you go: http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~ralex/papers/PDF/OOPSLA06antiobjects.pdf
<8> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiobjects
<8> Hmm, I guess you could share the initial value by considering the value (by cl***) of each character and place where they live.
<8> units having high cl*** gets more money and people with richer place (of course) also have more money than others.
<6> there are no rich or poor really
<6> all are just wrkers initially
<6> n basic level
<8> hmm... No higher cl*** lego guys like commanders or adolf minifigures?
<6> Cheery, but which of the alternatives you think woudl create interesting situations? please pick best and 2nd :D of existing :P
<6> nope
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