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<0> Mathis: Only a bitch can find implications of bitchness.
<1> ah, the wisdom of 'it takes one to know one'
<2> LoL!
<2> I've noticed that kernel developers tend to be the most depressed people on the planet.
<2> Well, excluding Linus and the Linux guys, but they don't really count; their kernel works. ;-)
<3> oh?
<3> why do you think that?
<2> Why do I think we're depressed?
<4> i'm not .. i' haaaaappy :)
<2> geist: Maybe you don't really count either; your kernel works too. LoL!
<3> yay
<5> non-kiddie-kernel are used to simply work
<1> hmm, i don't feel too bad neither yo
<2> eieio: You're one of the l33t3r kernel hackers. ;-)
<2> I'm quite proud of my project, but, without a file system, it's fairly useless.
<2> I'll probably be much happier once I can use my OS for something.
<5> well, people normally think about what it should do #before# starting to write an OS...
<6> hey all
<2> Why? Linus couldn't have imagined the uses of Linux before he started.
<2> He probably still doesn't know everywhere Linux is used.
<2> He just wanted something for himself.
<7> yes, Michael Jordan was a great basketball player, so why do I need to practice?
<1> Brainix: i think what Mathis means is that Linux had an idea of what a kernel is supposed to do before he started
<2> pizza_: That's a bad analogy.
<1> Linus*
<2> eieio: I don't know about that. Linux started off as a bunch of (failed) experiments.
<2> eieio: Have you looked through Linus' earliest code? ;-) It's quite bad.
<5> Torvalds wanted to have a better terminal emulation for the university unix systems on his i386
<5> so he started to work on what was later called Linux
<2> Yeah, on what he called Freax. LoL!
<5> he actually #had# an idea of what to do with it
<7> goals are good.
<1> yeah, but it showed an understanding of the basic problems and approaches to solutions
<5> Brainix on the other side just wants to be l33t, it seems
<2> It's not that. It's just that I need a good hobby. Something to keep me sane.
<3> that's a good approach
<2> I started off hacking at Linux, and I didn't like it. I mean, it's a great system, but not terribly fun to hack. At least, in my opinion.
<3> taking it too seriously generally leads to pain
<1> i think anyone who isn't afraid of hard work can be successful at system programming
<2> Since my hobby isn't professional or anything, I'm free to work on what I want, when I want. It may or may not ever boot, but that's not exactly the point.
<1> that's true too, you can't start out too ambitious
<5> people should first do some application development before writing an OS
<1> i agree, Mathis
<5> else they will never know what the OS is made for
<3> ooh, that explains the weird threading this conversation was going through
<2> The happiest day of my life will be when I can use my OS for something, but I know that day may or may not ever come.
<5> I've seen lots of people coming in trying to write an OS
<5> and leaving very fast
<1> Brainix: what tends to happen around here is the vast majority of youngsters new to programming want to do something big and complicated so they try to tackle a kernel first thing
<3> i was super happy the day I got the netstack working well enough to actually do something meaningful
<3> when it finally interacted with other computers, I considered that a milestone
<2> I've been working on my kernel since Jan 2002. :-)
<2> And it still can't mount its root file system. LoL!
<3> yeah. anyway, back to work
<3> ta ta
<2> geist: Peace.
<1> i've been fortunate enough to pretty much always have some application in mind ahead of time
<2> eieio: What's your OS going to be for?
<5> he's gonna say Server ;-)
<1> though i will probably reuse it for a more general project later, it supports my PPC translator
<2> At this point, all I'm aiming for is native development. I'd like to be able to run Vim and GCC within Brainix, to develop Brainix within Brainix.
<2> I still don't know what the implications of my design could be. It may be better or worse for certain things than other OSes.
<5> forget vim
<2> Mathis: Why?
<5> obsolete
<2> Mathis: What's better? notepad.exe?
<5> NEdit
<2> Is it like Vi?
<5> Vi == obsolete
<5> but NEdit can behave like that
<5> kinda
<2> I don't care what trolls on IRC would have me believe. I like Vim. :-)
<5> you *are* a troll
<2> Maybe, but a troll who knows what he likes.
<5> get a typewriter
<2> Mathis: What's your kernel like?
<5> what do you mean with that question?
<0> Mathis: What color is your kernel...?
<0> Blue, pink?
<2> Mathis: Do you have a website? How far along are you?
<2> What's the general design like?
<0> Mathis: Where were you yesterday?
<5> hmm, Samy, I'd say salty :-P
<5> which kernel do you mean?
<5> I have 4 to offer
<2> Mathis: The one you're writing?
<5> currently I am not writing on any kernel
<2> Mathis: You've given up on your project?
<5> no
<2> I see.
<5> I have to finish another project first
<2> What are you working on?
<5> an automating image-backup application for WinNT and newer
<2> Cool, is it for work?
<5> yes and no
<5> its gonna be freeware
<5> so everyone can use it
<0> Windows only?
<5> yep, Windows only
<2> Once you've finished that, what kind of kernel are you thinking of designing?
<5> I guess, Unix has different techniques for that
<5> Brainix: a microkernel
<0> Mathis: Yes
<2> Awesome. Unix-like?
<5> Brainix: not really
<2> L4?
<5> Samy: at work we have some NTs and newer, we need a better solution than Norton Ghost
<5> Brainix: no
<5> I wont base my kernel on any other design
<5> I want a desktop system
<5> one that is easy to use like OSX
<5> and that one can't destroy easily
<2> I didn't think I'd like it, but I'm having lots of fun with my new Mac.
<5> people dont want to fiddle around with config files and such
<5> they just want it working
<5> they also want to work with it without reading tons of docs
<0> Mathis: How will it differ from Mac OS X?
<5> Samy: it will have a System Management Mode
<5> where you can configure the system
<2> It'll be free too? ;-)
<5> and a GUI mode where the user just execute apps and edit their files and such
<5> Brainix: of course it will be free
<5> in GUI mode users cant even see system files
<8> hi
<5> lo
<5> those are already existing concepts
<5> I am just recycling their ideas
<8> Does someone of you know a webresource that describes what exactly happens on cpu-level when a softtrap occurs? (im not talking about pushing registers and so on :)
<2> Mathis: Do you use a Mac?
<5> Brainix: no
<2> Mathis: Have you played around with Spotlight?
<5> nope
<0> Spotlight is nothing special.
<2> I enjoy it.
<5> how can I play around with spotlight if I dont own a Mac ?
<2> Mathis: On your buddy's Mac?
<2> Mathis: On the Mac at work?
<5> I have absolutely no contact to any Macs
<5> if you now ask yourself how I can know about OSX, I can answer only this: http://toastytech.com/guis/osx14.html
<1> later all, it's going home time
<2> Blackalicious makes for excellent hacking music. :-)
<0> Mr.Scruff makes for better hacking music
<1> greets
<2> Welcome back.
<1> ty
<1> lo
<1> my battery ****s
<1> yawn
<1> i am le tired
<9> :O !!
<1> ?
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