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<0> vermont :)
<1> argh
<2> mickeyl: http://gnomedesktop.org/node/2852
<1> these scary autotools...
<1> cvs [checkout aborted]: no such tag gettext-0_16
<1> i got this in do_configure()
<0> http://www.highlandcounty.org/maple_sugar.htm
<3> koen: cool
<0> will there be sample phones at fosdem?
<3> i hope to have time to chat with some of the gnome/gtk+ guys at fosdem
<3> Crofton: there should be, yes.
<3> (if we don't stumble over new hardware problems)
<4> I see.
<0> so I could right a gps application for the phone?
<2> mickeyl: did you see http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/ ?
<4> Why is autotools 2.61 marked with pref -1? Is there a good reason OE does not upgrade? I am running into more and more soft that requires at least 2.60.
<3> koen: oh interesting! /me prints
<3> Crofton: you can write one, of course. I'm not sure whether GPS will be finished in the February developer release though
<1> Laibsch: heh, see above :-)
<2> Laibsch: scroll up ~20 minutes :)
<5> hi all
<3> Laibsch: feel free to upgrade us to 2.61 if you a) get it to build and b) submit thousands of patches upstream to projects using older autotools versions.
<2> mickeyl: and the thread that goes with the newton stuff: http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-January/007326.html
<3> i'd be even surprised if you get task-bootstrap to build
<3> koen: yep, I'm following that
<6> please somebody look at bug 1811, it adds Palm Zire 72 machine
<4> Is it possible to use autotools 2.6 for some packages and default to 2.59?
<4> hrw|gone: How did your tests for m4 turn out? I am compiling successfully with it.
<4> RP: You said there are issues in bitbake trunk. I have run into a problem that is not just a nuisance but a real dealbreaker now, angstrom seems to not compile with 1.6.3. Are the rough edges in trunk serious enough to consider not to upgrade?
<5> Laibsch : Hi ! Did you manage to get icecc going ?
<4> Ifaistos: Yes, I did. I am not quite sure the scheduling algorithm always makes the right decisions and sometimes connections seem to be lost and other hickups. But in general, it works.
<4> And quite nicely.
<4> on the OE side
<7> So I'm reading the topic and it says no distro support channel. Where would I get help if 'bitbake gpe-image' isn't working, crashing on xserver-xorg ??
<4> boorad: That is not a distro support question.
<4> You have come to the right place. Maybe it is a good idea to paste your console output to http://rafb.net
<7> cool, ideas then?
<7> k
<5> Laibsch : yes its true, scheduling seems 'weird' sometimes. Also what i have noticed is that several packages disable parallel builds...basicaly letting the host machine to do the build...
<5> Laibsch : i am working on getting qemu to build also using icecc
<2> Ifaistos: that's why we have multihreaded bitbake :)
<7> Laibsch, or others: http://paste.dprogramming.com/dpocw1ep.php
<5> koen : haven't found time to try it out to tell you the truth... :(
<7> when trying libxkbui, it says 0 packages merged or some such
<8> koen org.oe.dev * rb89332cd... / (1 conf/machine/ep93xx.conf): ep93xx: prefer kdrive
<7> koen: any thoughts on my paste ^^
<8> koen org.oe.dev * rb802ffe5... / (1 packages/xorg-xserver/xorg-xserver-common.inc): xorg-xserver: diet-x11 doesn't provide kdb (yet), so depend on full-fat x11 again
<9> hello all
<9> koen: online at b&b or else?
<2> likewise: temporarely for tonight in an hotel in oirschot
<2> likewise: at what time do you start work on thurday?
<9> koen: normally, I start at 9:00, but if there's any reason to change that, it's open.
<2> I have a late shift (14.30 - 21.30) for the volunteer police, so I could hop by axon in the morning and go to the icesculpts after that
<9> koen: ok, good idea. I'm not sure till what time the icesculpts are open yet
<2> 10.30 - 17.30
<10> likewise, I am about to buy the follwoing for you
<10> 1 picoPSU-60 33.95 usd
<10> 3 picopsu-120 33.95usd
<10> 1 CFDSIK2 12.95 usd
<10> OK?
<9> Crofton__: Yes, confirmed! Thanks in advance.
<10> np
<10> make sure you are at the beer event :)
<9> I cannot think why I would not be there.
<10> Or I'll start flogging them at inflated prices to cover my bill
<10> shipping will be neglible
<9> I'm thinking of what h/w to bring to fosdem, although I do not see much use for it, as probably every night will be beer night in some way.
<0> yeah
<9> Crofton: any thoughts of what goodies you would like to take back home (not that I know of anything very special, except maybe stroopwafels, Belgian beer, Belgian chocolate or Dutch dropjes).
<0> Belgian chocolate is good
<0> Small and light is good :)
<2> hmmm
<0> and nothing that will get me in the line coming back where they put on the rubber gloves :)
<9> koen: did you speak with gerwin yet?
<2> not yet
<9> Crofton: I'm not sure, but they have those chocolates with all kinds of special fillings :-)
<0> marzipan
<0> I was in Belgium about five years ago for a few days
<9> koen: I will ask him if he would like to join us on Tuesday. We'll probably eat in the city. Normally we go to someone but it would be too crowded this time (8 ppl or so).
<11> morning
<12> 'lo
<12> Does anyone know if the target "native" misbehaves? I can cross-compile easily but native blows up in my face
<11> koen: I'd like to discuss your MACHINE_ENDIAN response - got a minute?
<13> Crofton: feh.. just make your own marzipan...:) There is even a recipie on cans of solo almond pie filling :)
<0> maybe I will bring an extra bad so I can haul decent food back
<0> I may have to get wookey to bring some marmite :)
<14> Hello
<15> RP: I may be crazy, but It seems to say in the pxa270 manual that base of pxafb has to be in 555 format for overlays to work
<15> RP: but I dont understand why as the base cant be transparent
<16> can somebody give me a hint where I can read something for using OE on a 770? (I have zaurus 3100 experience)
<11> RP: koen has replied to my MACHINE_ENDIAN RFC with the exact opposite recommendation to what you gave me. How do I resolve this non-consensus in the OE core team, so that I know which path to take?
<15> rwhitby: bring baseball bat to FOSDEM, see who is tuff enuff
<11> heh
<11> it would be *much* easier to discuss these things over a beer, rather than a mailing list.
<11> As it stands, I now have a monotone repo with working files that have MACHINE_ENDIAN changes uncommitted. Do I ditch those changes? Do I commit them? How long do I wait for consensus before I just act in the way that I think is best (after gathering conflicting input from the OE core team)?
<17> what's the package name for the cross compiler
<17> just gcc?
<17> I need g++
<3> rwhitby: sounds like we should democratically call for a vote among the core guys.
<3> I didn't have time to look into your proposal yet, sorry
<11> mickeyl: this seems to be a pretty core issue when you have a cl*** of machines, which all need the same override in multiple places in the .bb file, but then half of them need an additional override, and the other half need a different additional override.
<11> (i.e. ixp4xx, nslu2be and nslu2le)
<18> VoodooZ: normally that would be {$OEDIR}/tmp/cross/bin/arm-something-g++
<3> rwhitby: i promise to comment tomorrow. i'm just a bit overloaded atm.
<11> mickeyl: my current set of changes just replace ARCH_BYTE_*** with MACHINE_ENDIAN. It doesn't add any new instances, but it does make MACHINE_ENDIAN no longer a slugos-specific variable.
<11> I ***ume no-one will have so much of a problem with that, that they would disapprove a commit ?
<3> i don't think so, as a matter of fact that commit will only change something that has been "private" to nslu2 anyway, right? what we are going to do with MACHINE_ENDIAN on a larger scope is another issue
<11> right
<19> Hello
<15> hey sifred
<3> in fact, there is no real distinction between core and non-core. If we were to call for a vote on that proposal, i'd hope that only those feel entitled to respond/vote that know the consequences.
<3> if it's 50:50, then we have to elect a BDFL first
<19> XorA|gone: Hello
<3> hmm, yet another Gtk+ release
<3> they're cranking on bugfixes these days
<15> sirfred: hows the xdriver?
<19> XorA|gone: Well, I didn't have much time lately, and anyway, I was waiting for some changes at kernel level.
<19> XorA|gone: Trying to support 320x240 modes correctly, and also clean some code for things that should better be done in w100fb
<15> sirfred: cool
<15> sirfred: can we persuade you to do the C3X00 series next :-)
<19> XorA|gone: What hardware ?
<19> XorA|gone: I mean, what graphics hardware.
<20> koen: Thanks for the update of xorg-server to the full fat one, got it building now :)
<15> sirfred: pxa270 LCD driver with YUV overlay
<19> XorA|gone: That mean available specs ?
<15> sirfred: yeah, they are on intel.com
<19> XorA|gone: But, it's not funny if you don't have the hardware
<19> XorA|gone: Just curious, but, with public specs, isn't there any job on that? Lack of interest?
<15> sirfred: Im taking a look at it
<19> XorA|gone: Great
<21> XorA|gone: isn't there already a pxa270 overlay driver floating around?
<6> could anybody look at bug 1811, it is support for Palm Zire 72
<15> mreimer: yes, but I havent yet managed to get it to show colours
<19> XorA|gone: Only black and white?
<19> mreimer: About the hx4700, probably basic acceleration will be fixed with the changes I'm in the middle of
<19> mreimer: And for the rotation/scaling ... perhaps you could try to understand how ENG_CNTL works on that card.
<21> sirfred: thanks. I looked at it a bit yesterday. my next step is to dump the registers under haret and see if I can figure out what other registers may have changed format
<4> Maybe this question appears a bit strange, but will there be free WIFI access at FOSDEM?
<22> Laibsch: no problems with m4 1.4.4 rather
<4> Nice. Can I check it in?
<4> hrw: BTW, I will be coming to FOSDEM. I rerouted my flight back from Japan to go into Brussels.
<22> Laibsch: great :)
<22> sirfred: lack of pxa27x hardware is not a problem - you can get spitz which is on my desk
<3> sounds like a real big #oe party in Brussels
<22> ~summon schurig IMMIEDATELLY
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