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<0> because i've answered 3 times now?
<0> and you still havent stopped asking?
<0> jesus
<1> chuckr: it's the wrong place, to start
<2> sorry it is finger kernel@www.kernel.org
<3> I went o that darn site, and it had bad info
<3> ok
<0> and i told you where to go
<0> kernel.org
<0> if the arm site is out of date, that isnt our problem
<3> I never saw that before, and that's looking like what I was after. I was polite, I asked for something reasonable, and you ascted like a wild man. Please give me a chance.
<0> 15:13 < kergoth> chuckr: hm? just grab a current 2.6 kernel, that supports arm out of the box. whether it supports _your machine_ is somethign else entirely
<0> that was not impolite, or unclear, and you continued this nonsense after that
<0> if you'd actually read what i wrote, it wouldnt have gotten to this point, now would it?
<1> irc ****s for communication :)
<1> tempers are too easy to flare up
<1> i won't be going back there anytime soon
<1> all i asked was "why don't you use autotools?" and "why don't you produce regular versioned releases?"
<1> and tried to have what i thought was a rational conversation
<0> ouch, no wonder :) people take such things personally
<1> big friggin mistake :)
<0> there's often a nearly evangelical opinion about autotools, in one direction or the other
<4> you didn't mention "vi" or "emacs" did you?
<0> hahah
<3> that's true. The data at www.kernel.org is for linux in general, and the other site I was at, www.arm.linux.org, says that 2.6.14 is the latest for the arm, and that contradists this data 9but makes sense if you limit it to the arm) but I don't know what files to use as base or as patch file
<1> of course, i am somewhat antagonistic :)
<1> i did use the work fork and mention guft.org
<1> chuckr: the point kergoth was trying to make is that arm/linux == linux as far as the kernel goes
<0> chuckr: again, as i've explained before, you just need to download the linux kernel sources. there is no patch file involved. go download a kernel. if you cant figure out how to find a kernel on kernel.org, theres nothing more anyone can do for you
<1> anything older is just obsolete
<1> stuff that people haven't taken down from the web
<1> i know it's confusing, because it seems like the arm stuff is out of date
<1> but the fact is, it's a good thing - it means there is no longer a separate branch/patch series to handle
<4> chuckr: what specifically are you looking for, again?
<2> zwelch: right, only patches that missed the merge window of the kernel
<1> right, and you generally don't need/want stuff that's in that queue
<1> you want to see it get into the next release
<1> (because if it doesn't ... umm... there's probably a reason for that)
<3> raduga, I am trying to ***emble the latest sources for the ARM, the latest kernel sources
<1> so, what have you learned from this discussion? please re-cap for us :)
<3> I've been pointed At data for the general Linux kernl, which is at 2.6.17.something, but when I check the site www.arm.kernel.org (pointed to from the www.kernel.org site) it tells me that the lates arm kernel is 2.6.14-rc3. I don't have any idea what files to use for this
<1> okay, let me be explicit:
<0> chuckr: arm.linux.org.uk's information is IRRELEVENT. go download 2.6.17.
<2> chuckr: you recognize that website can get outdated?
<3> if I was going for, say, i386, I would be gone by now
<0> its the same kernel as i386
<1> ignore www.arm.kernel.org
<1> use kernel.org
<0> identical kernel
<0> no seperate kernel for arm
<3> I a, using www.arm.kernel.org
<0> this is what, the 4th or 5th time we've explained this?
<2> kergoth: ignore him
<0> go to www.kernel.org
<0> jesus christ, ****ing idiots
<1> chuckr: well, stop it :)
<3> which is what www.kernel.org points me to
<2> chuckr: If you know better, don't ask
<3> know better than what? I *think* I'm doing just precisely what you're telling me to do
<3> if I donwload the files for the general distribution, I violate the info from the www.arm.kernel.org site
<3> oh, forget, it, if you'd rather cackle than explain, forget it
<5> chuckr what?
<1> for the last time: ignore www.arm.kernel.org
<3> ignore it?
<3> ok, I can try that
<5> chuckr whats your problem?
<3> so far, you are
<1> thank you for finally listening
<5> chuckr cant you decide which is your right und which is your left hand?
<3> I am trying to just be striaght and not put any anger or anything into my posts,
<1> i can understand your frustration
<3> I think that most flames are counter-productive
<3> thanks
<2> kergoth: you might just kick him
<1> "all i did was ask a simple question and *wham* suddenly i'm covered in napalm"
<2> kergoth: if he can't evaluate information
<5> zecke na we he have fishis nice little fishis
<3> some folks seem to think I misunderstand on purpose, to try to bother folks, and geeze, I'm not
<1> churck: i can understand his frustration too; he is a founder of this project, and your question really is not apropos for this venue
<1> chuckr: by being in #oe you should be asking about OE; you have a generic Linux kernel question that could have been answered in #linux or something
<5> maybee its a test from computerbild on how long oe-people can take some people which really trolls
<2> woglinde: hehe, this is what I have though as well
<4> was the original question, "Where can I find the latest arm linux kernel?"
<2> chuckr: ftp.arm.linux.org.uk
<6> mickeyl org.oe.dev * rcede3a0f... /conf/distro/ (41 files in 2 dirs): distro configurations: rename include files to *.inc and adjust those which include it accordingly
<2> chuckr: it is FTP so you can download, and it has 'arm' and 'linux' in the domain name
<5> If I am where in bad mood i would suggest the next questions, why linux-2.x.x.tar.bz dont boot
<1> Luke-Jr: my build is starting on glibmm... i should know if it's "just you" soon
<2> woglinde: no. Why isn't Linux 5.3 working
<7> when it says oops, what does that mean?
<4> woglinde: i printed out the kernel sources, stuffed them into my toaster, but the toaster doesn't boot.
<4> and it won't even toast bread anymore.
<2> CosmicPenguin: my KDE isn't working, it says oops
<7> and its getting really warm
<4> chuckr: are you more interested in fixing the apparent problem with tech support on OE, or in findin an answer to your question?
<4> chuckr: if the latter, msg me. if the former, enjoy flames ;)
<0> zwelch: honestly, the fact that the question was inappropriate wasn't as much of an issue as his inability to listen to the answers to his questions. there's nothing worse than contacting tech support and ***uming you know better than they do.
<4> kergoth: sometimes its difficult to listen to answers, or to recognise them as answers
<8> kergoth: you know, it's pretty often that tech support is dumb in general ... =p
<9> g'night
<5> nite mickeyl
<4> and if the answer isn't presented in a way that makes sense to you, where you are at that moment, there's a tendency to ignore it, and try again.
<0> Luke-Jr: and it's even more often that users are.
<4> its one way that users deal with information overload.
<4> Which is a pretty serious problem :(
<3> ok, I never understood, you were telling me that the data I read at www.arm.kernel.org is all completely incorrect?
<5> not all, but mostly out-dated
<2> chuckr: ftp.arm.linux.org.uk
<4> chuckr: some of it is correct, some of it is incorrect. some is old, some is useful, some is just not maintained.
<10> hvontres|poodle: see the e-mail?
<3> thanks zecke, I'm looking now
<4> chuckr: what people are suggesting, is that you don't rely on this resource, because its no longer well maintained, or a place where people are putting much effort into support
<2> chuckr: but www.kernel.org got source code that works perfectly for ARM
<4> chuckr: similarly, calling Sharp-USA and asking for zaurus help, is probably not going to get you much help
<8> heh
<4> chuckr: ftp.arm.linux.org.uk was once useful, was once well-maintained, and was once current.
<2> chuckr: finger kernel@www.kernel.org with 99% probaility will show the latest version of Linux kernel able to run on ARM
<4> chuckr: and the appendix hanging off your stomach once was used to digest food, by your remote ancestors.
<1> chuckr: everything has to be taken with a grain of salt on the internet; things get published and fall out of date. that said, there is probably still a lot of useful information on those sites, but it has to be tempered with the added knowledge that it may not all still apply
<4> chuckr: but, strangely, you look at your digestive tract, and guess what!!
<4> the appendix is still there. its still attached.
<4> you could complain to God, that he should update his web page. Or you could just ignore it.
<1> raduga: great metaphor :)
<0> it boggles the mind that someone cannot grasp something as simple as a site being out of date
<0> it happens every day
<5> kergoth there are enough people who think all what Bush says is 100% the truth
<1> one could argue it's symptom of insufficient skepticism
<0> hahah
<1> woglinde: ditto
<8> woglinde: it's not 100% lies?
<4> now... if you stuff food into the appendix (as some people's stomachs do) eventually it may get infected, and have to be removed
<4> people believe politicians, because they tell people nice things, that make them feel good.
<4> they validate people's hopes and fears.
<4> chuckr: if you want, send email to the webmaster at kernel.org
<4> and ask them to update the link on their home page (or at least to make a comment tag that the site is no longer current)
<4> some things that kernel.org says are not lies.
<4> some things that Bush says are not lies either.
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