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<0> agpgart is not needed for PCI-E i ***ume?
<0> so no kernel module would be neccesary, just the driver for xorg?
<1> you might need IOMMU (Amd64, not a clue what it's on p4/core2)
<1> never was too sure about it tho
<0> i have a amd64
<0> semperon 3400+ i think
<2> without spending too much, and staying within the realm of AGP, can anyone recommend a worthy upgrade to the fx5200? it would be great (but not necessary) if it had dual-dvi.
<3> arm73c05, something in the 7x.xxx line
<4> it depends on the cpu you have if the upgrade is worth it
<0> Maligor: first time with amd64, and pci-e. So i'm coming from AGP and Athlon-XP
<2> it's only an athlon xp2400.
<0> before i get a pci-e card i want to know it will work right
<4> a simple Geforce 6600GT would be a reasonable upgrade
<2> i will look into that then. thank you.
<4> I guess it costs about 100 USD / euro
<1> it might be iommu is only required for systems with more than 4gb of memory
<0> Maligor: i don't have more than 4GB so i'm probably ok then
<1> hednod: oh sure, works fine
<1> I do have iommu in yonder kernel tho
<1> just never was too sure if it was required
<0> i have a 6800 with 256mb of ram that agp now, and it performs but seems almsot outdated lareayd
<1> lareayd?
<0> I se 7300GS cards that are cheaper than 6800's
<5> sure
<0> already
<1> also slower probably
<5> because they are crap
<0> El_Presidente: because of the GS, or beacuse 7300s were designed to be lower end?
<4> a 7300GS is crap
<4> don't let the numbers confuse you
<5> well it is crap for gaming
<5> if you plan gaming
<2> is there a benchmark chart out there with all the cards on it?
<4> a 6800 is a lot better
<5> get at least a 7600gt
<4> he is using an AGP system
<4> not all cards are available in AGP
<5> i think there are also 7600gt available
<0> under $200 for pci-e would be preferable
<5> but for an agp system i would recommend a 6800gt
<4> he should just get a 6600GT AGP
<4> his cpu isn't that powerfull
<4> even a 6600GT already can't be used to its potential
<5> well sub 100$
<4> a 6800 or something faster won't help on it
<1> you can probably get 7600GT for $200
<2> thanks for the input guys, i really appreciate it.
<5> arm73c05, get a 6600gt yes
<5> but look for a cheap one
<1> El_Presidente: why a cheap one?
<1> the cheap ones tend to have crappy fans
<5> there are differences up to 50$
<1> ofcourse the expensive ones might also have crappy fans
<4> he should get a good 6600GT card
<5> :)
<2> :)
<5> leadtek e.g.
<4> and one thing don't get a 6600LE,6610XL, 6600(standard) ..
<1> not to mention component quality in cheaper ones is probably from hell
<4> only a 6600GT
<4> get one from a company like lets say msi, asus, evga, pny
<5> yup Thunderbird is right
<2> sounds good!
<2> i asked once a while back & heard 6600GT as well.. so this makes sense. :)
<0> El_Presidente: whats a under $200 card but still powerful enough to play todays games.. doesn't have to be all on high, but the card needs to bcome slow over time, not become slow in 6 months
<5> pci-e or agp?
<4> if it is pci-e get a 7600GT
<2> i'm actually just looking to give my Xgl based linux setup a little more steam.
<5> yup Thunderbird
<5> if you have a little more than 200$
<5> get a 7900gt
<5> a 7600gt is around 150$
<0> El_Presidente: pci-e
<4> a 7900GT is between $250-$300
<5> really?
<5> well i know just the euro prices :)
<5> and they are slowly going below 200euros
<0> strange a 7600gt is $250 at this s ite, but a 7800GTX is $200
<4> the prices are about the same (in numbers)
<4> in europe all cards are expensive compared to the us :(
<0> don't care for the brands listed unfortionatly. looking at a local store, itching to buy card today
<0> probably end up holding off though
<0> don't realy trust brands like PNY
<5> 7800gtx for 200$ ? :)
<5> where?
<0> crap delivery only
<0> PNY Verto GeForce 7800GTX Video Card, PCI Express, 256MB DDR
<0> $199.98
<0> well ahts weird
<5> a good card
<5> from what site?
<0> http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?pfp=BROWSE&N=4294966325+4294966731&product_code=332146&Pn=Verto_GeForce_7800GTX_Video_Card
<0> i must be missing someting
<0> pick up only it seems
<5> yup
<0> and it can't find stock for me
<0> not that it says out
<5> i bet its just a try to get you to their store
<0> it says it cannot find info about my zip code
<5> and then they dont have this card there
<5> :)
<0> http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?pfp=BROWSE&N=4294966325+4294966731+4294964972&Ne=303827&product_code=338095&Pn=Verto_GeForce_7600GT_Video_Card
<0> more expensive by far for GT7600
<1> hard to follow the naming anymore
<1> the more hip the name is, the more likely it's crippled in some way
<5> :)
<1> so you should check what they mean before you buy one
<0> hell i'd call them and say "do you have this part #, and what does it cost"
<0> don;t want to spend more than $200 though
<0> and limited selection
<5> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814122245
<5> e.g.
<5> 172$
<5> i bet there are cheaper sites
<5> but i dont know more us hardware sites
<0> 6600 OC for $200 with 512mb. i can't imagine a game that would run good on a 6600 and at the same time need 512mb
<0> what crappy deals.
<1> windows vista?
<0> EVGA e-GeForce 7600 GT Graphics Card
<0> 179.99
<1> El_Presidente: sites that claim cheaper prices, but never ship anything too
<1> or so I've heard
<5> hm
<5> well the 7600 gt for 180$ sounds good
<1> I rather like to shop at a reasonable price shop that I can actually trust
<0> i've heard good things about EVGA
<0> and $179.99 for one
<0> anyone recommend against me buying a EVGA?
<5> evga is ok
<0> downsites?
<0> er downsides?
<5> well you should buy it in a shop close to you
<5> so you can bring it back
<5> if something is not ok
<5> :)
<0> haha
<0> thats the idea
<0> a local shop has it in stock now
<0> kind of amazed by the chaintech 6600GT 256 i have
<0> because the temperature gets up past 70C
<0> and it keeps going
<4> those temperatures are normal
<4> you are going to upgrade from a 6600GT to a 7600GT?
<4> hmm, I'm not sure if I would do that
<4> a 7600GT is faster but not that much
<4> a 7600GT performs a bit like a 6800 standard
<4> so compared to the 6600GT is is lets say 30% or so faster
<5> well my 6800gt has 50C idle and 70C load
<5> i have an nvsilencer cooler on it
<5> that thing cooled it down by 30C
<5> and the card is now supersilent
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