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<0> apedro, the current nvidia drivers dont support the xorg 7.1 ABI... best bet is probably to go back to 7.0 for now
<1> Skrot ok , 7.0 no contains this bug correctly ??
<0> apedro, no, 7.0 should work fine
<1> ok
<2> hi! i wonder whether the nvidia driver works with kernel 2.6.17?
<2> i'm installing it roght now and would be very sad if i had to use the framebuffer driver :(
<3> even if it wouldn't work, (I don't know if it works) what would be so bad about using a slighly older kernel?
<0> the blade isn't quite so sharp!
<3> a new kernel won't automaticly give you more performance or features (it are useally driver updates, a few bugfixes. ..)
<3> why do people allways want the latest kernel ...
<2> oh yeah, bugfixes
<2> ey, it's cool to have it :)
<0> i like new kernels just cause, really
<3> you can also just change the version number to 100.1.2 and you have a similar effect ;)
<3> most of the time a kernel update isn't really needed
<0> well some new kernels have stuff like fcache
<0> for speeding up boot times
<2> fcache?
<0> yeah.. its in 2.6.17-ck1, might be in -mm kernels.. not sure
<2> don't know about that
<0> i've not used it, but it sounds good hehe
<2> u mean the readahead patches?
<0> nah dont think so.. "A frontend cache for a block device. The purpose is to speedup a fairly random but repeated read work load, like the boot of a system."
<2> oh, those wan't from con kolivas i think
<2> *wasn't
<0> nah written by jens axboe i believe
<2> oh, if we have that fcache and the new readahead patch, then i think we get a bit faster :)
<0> haha who knows
<0> personally i just like keeping up with the latest staircase stuff
<2> i had Con kolivas kernel in the past but they crashed X too frequently for me.
<2> X doesn't crash that often without ck kernels
<0> yeah? ive had very few problems with ck kernels
<0> when did you last try one?
<2> i tried 2.6.16-ck1
<2> and in the 2.6.8 days i used it very often
<2> and had a long time a very good stability, but then, around 2.6.11~ , it got unstable for me
<0> hm okay, odd
<2> but that could be the nvidia driver too, it crashes my X without ck too
<2> but not often, very seldom, but it does
<2> then the driver prints something like "(WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (0, 6, 0x8000, 0x00000218, 0x00000218, 0)" in the Xorg.0.log
<0> oh okay.. i've not had that problem
<2> ...and deadlocks or crashes, depends
<0> only crashes i have with xorg is the occasional lockups (under fairly reproducable conditions).. Xid type stuff
<0> hm fcache does sound good.. sounds potentially dangerous however. i'm not game to try it yet :)
<2> ok, i will reboot now and see if it works, bye
<2> hello! it works!
<2> where did you read about fcache?
<2> ah i found http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=114768490814504&w=2
<0> um ive only read about it on the CK mailing list
<4> I just want to have watch movies on tv using tvinview. But twinview makes the virtual screen bigger, and panels etc are resized to that... so my panel is spanned into both monitors.
<4> Is it possible to make what I want ?
<4> I want to view movies on tv, while using the lcd of the laptop as usual.
<2> man from 50s => 38s is really amazing
<2> but it sounds like a hack...
<4> does this channel ever serves to it's purpose for gods sake ?
<2> :) sorry i cannot help you, no clue
<3> what twinview type are you using? (clone, or extended desktop)
<4> rightof
<3> for instance use mplayer (or xine) as your mediaplayer
<3> mplayer has a xinerama switch
<4> I prefer mplayer
<3> when using that it can 'sense' what the 'visible' resolution of the tv is and you will be able to play fullscreen on your tv
<3> if I remember correctly the option is called 'xineramascreen'
<3> so: mplayer -xineramascreen 1 -fs movie_file would play the movie in fullscreen on your tv
<4> nope it still spans
<4> top left of the movie is on TV, left bottom is dead, right side is on LCD :)
<3> how did you use the option?
<3> I don't know mplayer much, perhaps the option has changed or it is buggy
<3> but normally media players should be able to use xinerama to figure out the 'visible' resolution
<4> anyway, I don't want to span my screen
<3> nvidia's twinview appears as xinerama to applications
<3> this is what you need xinerama for or some window manager setting
<4> yeah doc says it returns xinerama info to window managers
<3> or else just set up seperate X screens, which will work too
<4> hmm that might be good
<4> as in run tv in :1
<4> and use it from :0 ?
<3> the tv would be :0.1
<3> it is basicly the same as the twinview mode which you are using now
<3> but with the difference that you can't move windows over
<4> do you know any way I can still use twinview
<4> but applications won't be aware of it, such as they would use screen 0 only
<4> as in usual
<4> I doN't want my menubars, taskbars to span
<3> you get exactly that
<3> the TV will be an 'empty' screen
<4> yeah but I'd need to set DISPLAY env var to use that, right
<3> to launch lets say mplayer on it you need to set the correct DISPLAY variable (or p*** the correct option for it to mplayer)
<4> dragging windows accross is ease of use
<3> mplayer might have lets say: screen 1
<4> still tedious
<3> the other option is to fix the bug which causes xineramascreen not to work for you
<4> linux tedious already tho
<3> it might be a window manager issue, an mplayer bug or an nvidia one
<4> given that I don't want my stuff to span over windows, can I still use twinview
<3> it appears you need to use: -xineramascreen -1 to go fullscreen on the 'current' screen
<3> or -2 to span both devices
<3> as I said dozens of times, xinerama (an X extension) exists to inform window managers and other apps about the size of the displays
<3> this would allow what you want (fullscreen on a single device)
<3> but some apps are buggy
<4> taskbar/panel didn't span to both screens
<4> but macos x style global menu bar of kde did
<4> this definetely sounds like bug
<3> you could try another media player just as a test
<3> xine, totem, kaffeine .. all have xinerama support
<3> the last two can do it automaticly I think
<4> gxine works as expected yes
<4> apparently mplayer can do to if I use x11 video output
<4> not the accelerated xv
<5> try -vo gl2
<4> nopr
<4> nope
<4> only -vo x11 -xineramascreen 1 -fs
<4> works fine
<5> then mplayer ****s :D
<5> but fwiw
<5> it works fine here with at least gl2 and xv
<5> i'm going to ***ume x11 works, but it would be either too small or too slow.
<4> mplayer rocks actually but this is annoying indeed :)
<4> hmm also tv is not hotpluggable
<3> hotplugging a tv is also 'dangerous'
<3> although your videocard contains some protections for it
<3> it isn't made for it
<5> s-video or just composite?
<3> a monitor also isn't hotpluggable but it works (although not recommend to do when the pc is on)
<5> also.. why would it be dangerous? the tv shouldn't be sending anything for tv out :(
<3> you could blow up the output of your videocard
<5> O_O
<5> when unplugging the TV?
<3> but the card is protected for it, but still
<5> i wouldn't expect such a feat when plugging it in
<3> if you connect a tv which is on
<5> o_O
<4> can I turn the tv-output forcefully on ?
<4> so the dangerous hotplugging would work
<4> in case it doesn't require EDID to initialize correctly
<4> restarting x to get tv working is just lame
<3> the ConnectedMonitor option should basicly do this
<4> hmm x didn't like it
<4> do you think it would be nice to have a hot pluggable networked tv output device ?
<4> as in, you send the video over wired or wireless network it'll show on any s-video compatible device
<4> for around, say, $50 for wired one
<6> Is it possible to change the orientation of output to a monitor?? Like output it upside down or rotated 90 degrees??
<2> yes
<2> see Option Rotate in xorg.conf plagerism ^^
<3> or if you want to do it on the fly use xrandr (or some other randr client) but for this to work you need to enable some nvidia randr option in your xorg.conf
<3> (RandRRotation)
<7> hello
<7> sound issues ****
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