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<0> i mean, how to use it... not how to program it...
<1> oh please, there aren't any ****ing lawyers in here
<2> kuja: Huh? ;)
<1> so let's just not go there.
<2> kuja: It's under the GPL as indicated by the various licenses and copyrights splattered everywhere
<2> Commercial license text is not to my knowledge publically available
<3> Therion: So the legal binding is indicated by what?
<1> Therion, the dear boy is ban evading
<1> he just PM'd me with contents after you kick-banned
<3> Therion: I'm quite curious about the legal stuff.
<2> Sneaky_Bastard: That's fine
<1> just advising you
<2> kuja: I have no idea what you mean byu "legal binding is indicated by what"...by the license text. ;)
<2> If you need to test it, take it to court.
<3> Therion: I know the policy page... is just a page, but it's the only source that officially states that you must obtain a license for closed source (distributed) software.
<4> muhoo: there is a bit of information on this page: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/type-conversion.html



<1> kuja: you ain't no lawyer either
<3> Therion: So there's license text released with MySQL that states it?
<1> maybe you should shut up
<2> kuja: The text of the GPL.
<3> Therion: Ah, okay.
<5> actually MySQL is using a backdoor of GPL. the spirit of GPL is that once GPLed, that's forever. now MySQL says if you buy a commercial license, the database isn't GPLed anymore
<2> cookoo: You are mistaken.
<3> Therion: That's more clear. I just wanted to make sure that the text is somewhere, and not missing.
<2> The copyright holder can do whatever it wants. As MySQL is the copyright holder, it can choose to release a non-GPL version of the product, and does so.
<2> Even RMS concurs that this is perfectly valid and logical.
<1> yep
<2> So, can we all shut the **** up on this ridiculously simple topic?
<2> ;)
<2> pr0n!
<3> Was kind of complex at first lmao
<2> It's simple
<2> PRoduct is released under GPL
<2> You obey the terms of that
<5> OK, guess GPL 3 won't change much
<3> Therion: You old man, lol. tsume was writing an GTK IRC client for me using my lib, unban!! T_T
<2> If you don't want to obey the terms of it, you don't use it, or you get the comm. license
<1> Therion: where is the MySQL function to index pr0n images by "nastiness" or "hotness"
<1> ?
<1> surely there must be one by now
<1> I mean there is geo indexing, FFS !
<2> MATCH(image_description) AGAINST ('hot teen bitches')
<6> is mysql5 faster than mysql4?
<2> "it depends"
<6> btw, I forgot my sense of humor in my other pants, can I still ask questions?
<7> MySQL 5 does make better muffins however.
<2> there are major optimizer improvements so under certain circumstances it is radically faster
<2> OTOH triggers and such incurred an unavoidable performance hit
<8> it is faster if you use stored procedures!
<6> we never use triggers yet
<2> does not matter
<6> I saw the eweek graph showing mysql stomping all over sql2k
<6> I'm ***uming that MS didn't optimize sql2k5 _that_ much over the last 3 years
<2> The graph is largely crap
<2> Though MySQL is generally faster than MSSQL
<2> Except where it isn't :P
<6> I don't think we really tax our dbs anyway
<6> if it ends up being that slow, for the price of mssql enterprise, we can get 5 mysql servers
<6> platinum support
<2> :)
<6> and oracle pricing is obscene, especially when you factor in the dba
<2> You say that as if you only need one DBA
<2> 99% of Oracle deployments i've seen had a whole fleet of them. ;)
<6> a = administration :)
<8> =)
<6> does the OS factor a lot into the performance of mysql?
<5> make non sense to compare Oracle and MySQL...
<6> oracle is not needed here
<2> frb: mmm Linux/Solaris are the most tested/deployed and generally have better performance for the type sof things MySQL does
<9> could anyone tell me why i am getting a 1064 error from this
<9> $sql = "SELECT * FROM ' . MEDALS_TABLE . '
<9> WHERE medal_id = $user[airmedal]";
<2> It works reasoanbly well on Windows though
<3> Therion: You grumpy old man!
<3> !kick Therion
<3> That's right! pwned



<9> its giving me syntax but i;ve used it in so many other places
<2> Lord_Loki: Print out the generated query, or examine the spot (to the left) where the message says the syntax error is located
<2> kuja: can I go back to annoying my wife now, boss? ;)
<3> Therion: No, you are MY wife.
<3> :D
<9> you mean this? near '' . MEDALS_TABLE . ' WHERE medal_id =' at line 1
<6> how is the commercial support?
<2> Lord_Loki: echo $sql
<3> bzzzz bzZzz
<2> frb: best in the industry!
<3> Go back to your wife! :P
<2> frb: Responsive, high quality, attentive!
<9> sec
<6> Therion, you work there? :P
<3> Keep in mind, Therion probably works for MySQL.
<3> So don't trust him lol
<3> He's just trying to get brownie points :D
<2> ;)
<6> I'm just trying to put together a case for our webdev upgrade
<6> old = Win2k+IIS5+SQL2k+ASP3
<6> new can be anything we want
<9> I am echoing , just getting the same general error debug mode etc etc
<2> Lots of 64 bit Linux deployments these days
<5> Therion: how's the progress of on-disk cluster in 5.1?
<6> so I'm looking at WAMP, LAMP, and WINS (Win2k3, IIS6, .NET2, SQL2k5)
<2> Lord_Loki: I want to see the query which is stored in $sql .
<2> cookoo: code is there; haven't tested it
<6> personally, I prefer LAMP out of principle, but .net does have some really good points
<2> 5.1 has lots of yummy goodness
<5> yumy yumy
<7> IIS 6.
<6> mono scares me, and it's only .net 1.1, I can use mysql with .net and the rest, but then we need either mysql on windows, or separately admined servers which may be a big downpoint
<9> I must be a tard, its not echoing
<2> Plenty of people using it on Windows
<6> are there nifty gui tools like MS has?
<2> Not as nifty as Enterprise Manager and Query Analyzer
<6> I've grown really fond of the Query Analyzer and SQL Enterprise Manager
<9> it shouldnt matter where i put the echo statement should it?
<2> Unless you go with Toad or something other similar 3rd party tool
<6> I only do basic stuff though, no profiling or anything
<2> Lord_Loki: well you want it after you ahve constructed the query :)
<9> right
<6> I'd rather suggest we pay mysql to optimize our db anyway :)
<2> hehe
<10> ok so what i want (it may not exist, oh well) is a version of REPLACE() which takes a regexp
<6> cheaper than a dba, and more experienced
<10> REGEXP_REPLACE() basically
<2> Perf tuning needs Platinum, or a consulting gig
<6> I know
<2> AND IT IS WORTH EVERY DOLLAR
<10> i.e. i want to replace() all the [A-Za-z] with ''
<6> $5k/year/server is still hella cheaper than $80k/dba/year
<2> Help Leverage Your Existing eSomething
<2> frb: That's arguable
<11> My existing eWhat?
<10> dba's make $80k/year? damn.
<6> muhoo, the cheap ones
<2> mhillyer: Was that your blog talking about Linden Labs' at UC?
<11> I think so.
<2> muhoo: I was making more than that as DBA in 2001, I hope its' at least similar today :P
<6> in the early 2000s I saw oracle dbas entry level at $120
<2> mhillyer: Second Life thing :P I just glanced over and didn't catch who was talking about it
<10> i've heard that all tech job salaries crashed around that time, and haven't recovered, probably never will
<2> Depends on the area, the person, the company, the job
<11> I'd be interested in seeing the session if I was not already speaking in that slot.
<6> good dbas never really dropped in price
<2> mhillyer: AHhh THAT'S it
<6> programmers are a dime a dozen
<10> yeah, in 2000, last time i worked, dba's were making $120+, and most of the ones i worked with had no ****ing clue what they were doing.
<2> mhillyer: That's what made me think of you
<2> mhillyer: as I have to skip your hierarchical talk to see it ;)
<11> Oh you ****.


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