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<0> Jax, Requirements change.
<1> but I set the requirement! :D
<2> Jax: hehe, you need to get out until the real world. It's... messy :)
<0> And it can change!
<3> not always
<1> i guess i have to go work i na big company one time ;)
<0> Jax, Na, doesn't have to be big company.
<4> Jax: column name? never, really. but you may want to split a table into several. then make a view that simulates the original layout, for compatibility.
<1> i'm just too perfectionist to let other code ;)
<4> that's just one thing it may be useful for
<4> Jax: write your won DB then.
<1> yeah but that sounds like an ugly hack if you ask me
<4> no, actually, it's not a hack
<0> It is a hack
<4> it's called "abstraction".



<1> you should adapt your app to the new DB schema
<0> Well :)
<3> compare your code doing the JOIN, and then you just calling a view
<2> Jax: it keeps the app working and allows for structural changes
<1> not make some view to compensate for people that weren't able to design right in the first place
<2> Jax: at what cost?
<0> Jax, When it was designed in the first place, it could have had a different set of requirements.
<4> Jax: a db schema can be considered to be an interface to access the data. so, a view is to keep the interface while chaning the implementation.
<2> Jax: say you're just moving a couple pieces of data around for performance purposes.. What a waste of programmers if you hadn't already abstracted the data and had to make m***ive changes to your app
<0> We need to teach the bot a game.
<0> We could teach it to play Uno.
<0> Oh, so yesterday I shocked myself with 120V...
<1> we could teach it to actually OBEY me
<5> I wouldn't worry about that
<6> only 120 you yanks have a wimp power voltage
<0> It made my forearm tingle... It was pretty fun.
<5> back in my foolish youth, I toasted myself with a neon-sign transformer a couple of time
<1> hm
<5> 9-12Kv (it was on an adjustable autotransformer)
<1> i was messing with some Batteries for my guns the other day
<0> archivist, It's not the voltage... it's what you do with it.
<0> Batteries... guns... lol
<5> fortunately, it was only 20milliamps
<1> Metalhydride ones.. and somehow shorted by accident.. nice orange clame to burn my fingers
<1> :D
<0> lol
<0> 20milliamps?
<1> s/clame/flame
<0> What kind of batteries do you guys have over there?
<1> well you know the 12V 2400mA ones
<5> and I was immediately disconnected by the resulting contraction of all muscles in my body at once which propelled me about 5 feet back and 4 feet up into a blackboard behind me (in a physics cl***room)
<1> 8 cells
<0> Isn't 2.400ma like 2.4A?
<6> yes
<0> Sneaky_Bastard, From 20mA?
<5> Jax: Gel Cells ?
<5> will: from 20mA at 12Kv
<0> 20MA!
<0> heh
<1> Nickel-Metalhydride
<1> don't have memory ;)
<0> I still don't get what volts and amps are...
<5> neither do Gel Cells
<5> ;-)
<5> (Lead-Acid with gel electrolyte)
<1> a volt is a joule/coloumb
<1> an ampere is Coulomb / s
<5> Jax: far too technical
<1> (1 coulomb / s)
<1> *shrug*
<0> hehe
<7> What's a coulomb?
<5> will: voltage is difference potential and it's always between two poitns
<1> well...
<0> This is why I like SQL... much easier to understand :)
<5> voltage is what makes the potential for a current flow, if you like
<6> 1 volt pushes 1 amp through 1 ohm
<1> a coulomb is the charge of 6.241*10^18 electrons



<5> amperage is the magnitude of the current
<0> I do like that number... 624
<1> DONT remind me of computer arhcitecture crapness exam :D
<7> wikipedia is back finally
<8> what happened to it bobfield ?
<0> Who uses wikipedia anyways?
<9> me
<6> power outage
<7> I use it a lot
<9> wikipedia is a great place to get started with research
<7> ah is that what is was
<5> voltage corresponds to *pressure* in liquids and amperage corresponds to *flow volume*
<0> ah
<10> I'm having a weird problem .. the same query on the same data on two separate machines is returning different results .. http://pastebin.com/652506 .. Machine One appears to be incorrect, but maybe I'm just going crazy ..
<0> Sneaky_Bastard, I get that part :)
<1> Woosta versions?
<4> funny...
<4> what ahppened to wikipedia actually *was* a power problem :)
<0> They got their volts and amps mixed up.
<7> voltage or lack thereof
<0> Reminds me, I need a UPS
<6> 800 amp breaker failure
<10> Machine One: 4.1.15-Debian_1-log, Machine Two: 4.0.17-standard-log
<4> doesn't do you much good if the breaker between the UPS and the rack blows :/
<1> haha
<7> I have about 1-2 hours of battery time on my critical computers
<10> Surely differing versions wont mean the later version does the wrong thing?
<4> as i said...
<0> I have about 3-4 on my servers at work. but no monitors connected.
<6> Woosta if a bug has been fixed between versions
<10> archivist .. then I'd expect the RIGHT behavior on the newer one ..
<10> It's a simple query .. so surely they couldn't have broken the newer one THAT much?
<6> also there are some other changes in syntax
<10> Someone would have noticed ..
<1> gah
<10> changes between my two queries??
<1> need to download Gang of Four from uni, but de-installed VPN client >;/
<6> check with mysql docs for changes 4.0-4.1
<10> Have you looked at the query or are you just sending me off there .. ?
<6> no I havnt looked at the qry
<4> n8
<1> Woosta might be the as count
<1> try AS `count` *shrug*
<1> might think count is a function name count()
<10> ahh .. interesting ..
<10> nup
<10> changed it to xcount and same result
<10> jax: Can I confirm that the results look wrong to you too?
<1> *shrug*
<1> lots of things are wrong with lots of thing lately
<10> LOL
<11> is this the right channel to ask about configuration issues?
<11> i'm attempting to get remote connections working, on my 1and1 root server, but i'm having some trouble
<0> They don't allow remote connections.
<11> that's lovely
<11> this is a root server though
<11> not a shared hosting package
<0> Oh
<0> Sorry. Should have asked.
<11> np
<0> What error message are you getting?
<11> appreciate the snappy response
<11> http://www.bradlanders.com/dev/olp.php
<0> I want to cancel my account with them.
<11> i don't blame you haha
<0> Are you calling me snappy?
<11> snappy in a good way, as in quick :)
<11> sorry, i'm from the south
<0> I am from the s'th and I want some s'p
<11> :)
<0> If anyone gets that quote... ++
<0> Anyways...
<0> !m bradland lost connection
<12> bradland: Nothing found


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