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<0> intelligent design :)
<1> what about sending a text file from the CE device to the server-- and having a program of some sort that looks for the file to arrive then puts it into the mysql database on that server
<1> anyone ever tried something like that?
<2> ID == identification :-P
<0> bastian: it's app specific like arjen and I said. use a session and some logic in your app to do it. you don't want to use the url i gave you it's going to give you a headache
<3> Understood.
<2> bratty: what about a http interface?
<3> Thank you.
<1> Bash-- ie... send to an ftp server like?
<0> i'm doing something similar for an app, basically if user a goes into a record, i change the status field for that record to be in use, when they hit submit.. once all validation p***es i change the status to free
<2> bratty: ie. goin through php and making a form
<3> alphablue, but, as this will be done via a web interface, I have no way of knowing when the user ends their editing session (with no change commited).
<3> No way that I know of, that is.
<0> when they hit submit on the form
<3> But what if they close the page without submitting?
<0> i also have a cron that runs nightly which clears locks older than 24 hrs.
<2> bastian: you can through javascript ;
<2> ;)
<3> bashusr, True, I suppose.
<2> i would have the table locked and a javascript polling mechanism to keep it locked
<2> and if the polling mechanism fails after 5 minutes, ***ume the user is gone...
<3> That's an idea.
<0> and a "SOB" (Supervisory Overide Button) that can unlock the table.. but access to the button is limited to higher level users of the web app
<2> if it was something like the user lost internet connection... i'd have the user reload and reedit the data
<2> now hire me to impliment it bastian :-P
<1> bashusr: thanks thats a great idea- so bascially have a web-based interface completely--- then all the mysql stuff is done server side
<0> bastian: that's an unnecessarily complex idea
<4> bashusr: like I said before . . . "indeed" very few humans operation on the semantic/symbolic level all the time, we constantly fluctuate between the instinctual, ***ual or territorial levels I estimate 90% of the entire human popluation spends 90% of their time on the first two biological/neural levels of instinctual or ***ual/territorital levels . . . most of us are not guided by logic or reason . . . most of the time
<0> but hire bashusr anyway :)
<3> alphablue, Probably. :)
<0> nmatrix: survival is a pretty logical instinct..
<4> alphablue: yes . . . but theres a time and place for paranoia
<0> what does paranoia have to do with basic survival ?
<0> if i put my hand in fire it burns.. burn not good. no put hand in fire
<0> it's not like i feel the trees are out to get me
<4> alphablue: simple during human evolution we had to be wary of strange or exotic looking things because they could be harmful to us (i.e. plants, bugs, dangerous animals)
<4> or certain areas we never ventured before
<2> nmatrix9: i disagree to a large extent... emotions (that dictate certain actions) are not always governed by those reasons...
<0> history and studies show it's more trial and error i think
<4> probally imprinted into all of us at the genetic level
<4> (hypothesis(
<4> (hypothesis)
<3> Thanks for all the help.
<0> how come cats are litterbox trained from birth ? instinct for them
<4> alphablue: but taken that behaviour to it's extreme you get racisism and predijuice
<0> how ?
<4> <4> alphablue: simple during human evolution we had to be wary of strange or exotic looking things because they could be harmful to us (i.e. plants, bugs, dangerous animals)
<4> well simple some people are simply not use to things that look "different" or "exotic"
<0> i don't think it's genetic in the human dna per se.. but rather what we observe people around us doing
<4> their first "instinctual" reaction is "flight or fight"
<4> but nowadays
<4> in the "modern" world
<0> in the bible people didn't eat pigs because pigs were found in grave yards .. and eating them caused sickness. so they stopped
<4> the dangers our ancestors faced no longer apply in the "modern" world
<0> trading places ...
<4> we don't have to watch our backs for lions or tigers so to say . . . at least not the kind that walk on 4 legs
<4> but most of us are governed by earlier primate instincts in the modern world
<4> which is very silly to say the least
<0> early primate instincts for any animal teach us to be cautious and wary of the uknown
<0> unknown
<4> which I said earlier theres a time and place for those instincts but we seem to use those instincts at the most inappropiate times
<0> like in stereotyping and racism ?
<4> which is why I believe many mega-urban areas have such a high level of psychosis
<4> alphablue: that is one example
<0> well we're going extremely offtopic for this channel
<0> i'm available in #philosophy
<4> alphablue: stereotyping is actually a static-paradigm applied to perception
<0> i have no idea what you just said
<0> :)
<4> reality is constantly changing and is complicated correct?
<4> people and cultures even moreso in some ways
<0> to percieve..
<0> ok
<0> please join #philosophy or another channel.. we're going very offtopic
<4> stereotyping is basically just a mentally lazy way to apply universal rules of thumbs to those perceptions
<4> "All white people can't dance" or "All black people carjack"
<0> or a smart way to know what to expect
<4> in some ways depending on context
<4> if your in harlem and have a 600,000 dollar sports car
<4> probally not wise to be in there in the first place
<0> you're either Bill Clinton or a drug lord..
<4> lol
<0> oh wait was that a stereotype ?
<0> :)
<0> if you're in lower harlem by columbia etc, it's probably normal for you and your 600k car
<4> we all have reality tunnels of what "reality" is suppose to "be"
<4> we need them to survive
<5> especially my ex-girlfriend
<0> infi: lol
<4> but mind you they are only "models"
<4> of reality
<0> everything is a model ..
<4> in terms of human perception
<4> yes
<0> all religious texts etc basically sum it up. to understand the world and your surroundings is to be one with God. And to do so, is the inability to express that to mere mortals
<2> i dare not say reality is constantly changing...
<2> i say that our view on reality is constantly changing...
<0> the "Word" is unimitable by the humans
<4> bashusr: reality is dynamic
<4> bashusr: as is our perceptions of it
<6> reality is like taffy.
<2> and our effect on what is real is constantly changing...
<2> but there are many things that are constant and never change.
<0> bashusr: that's similar to the hindu philosophy of "man cannot invent anything, everything that needs to be invented has already been invented. man only discovers it"
<4> sure
<4> bashusr: there are fundamental rules to reality
<2> alphablue: not really...
<0> yes it is, we haven't invented anything
<2> C will always be 3.00e8 m/s
<0> nothing has changed, our understanding of it has
<4> but that in and of itself are simply rules based upon other rules
<2> we have invented a lot of things...
<2> like the car the computer...
<6> hi Bob
<2> but to say that the world around us has really changed is untrue...
<7> hiya vexati0n :P
<4> bashusr: how so
<7> actually there is substantial evidence that c can be different to that
<2> the world was never flat...
<7> for one thing that is how refraction works
<4> bashusr: huh?
<2> it's always been round....
<7> and the world is locally flat to a good approximation :P
<0> no.. the car and computer are the result of us understanding combustion and other things in the world.. before the car we had chariots, before that horses, before that feet..it's just the transition of the mode of transportation
<7> hiya nmatrix9 long time no see :P
<2> our popular thinking has changed
<0> but at a lower level, yes we invented cars and computers.. but in the overall big picture.. we just understood how to do something
<4> bashusr: your logic is flawed Iam afraid your premise does not support your conclusion
<8> slayerbob: just came back from Dunedin NZ and it wasn't flat there ;-)
<4> nor is it even coherent
<2> atoms has been always made up of electrons and protons...
<7> arjenAU: well there is always an exception to every rule :P
<4> you basically slapped a premise which has nothing to do with the conclusion
<2> even if we thought it to be spheres of solid matter...
<7> arjenAU: hell even the octagon is not flat there :|
<8> bashusr: unless you;re an old greek (atom = indivisible) or just trying to keep things simple.
<8> slayerbob: exactly. nice place though.
<4> <2> but to say that the world around us has really changed is untrue...
<7> yup
<8> nmatrix9: it has actually. we screwed it up a bit further.
<8> nmatrix9: particularly in the last hundred years or so
<4> bashusr: if the world or universe never evolved you wouldn't be here
<4> typing on your pc
<8> humans are really quite intrusive and destructive. very much not in line with their long term goal of survival. s'odd.
<4> on a technological infrastructure called the internet
<4> you premise has basically fallen flat on it's own face
<4> *your
<0> tectonic plates keep moving
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