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<0> mcrawfor: nah. his problem (that i telepathically can tell) is that he wants to store alien language in him mysql db...
<0> so he can talk to extra-terrestials in his spare time...
<1> i'm very very new in sql i just urpmi and i have this terriblle ERROR
<1> ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2)
<2> you should try running the server
<1> so what's the meaning of that and what must i do
<0> hehe
<0> moustanfii: that means mysql isn't on.
<1> so? what i must do?
<0> moustanfii: grab a mandrake howto....
<0> moustanfii: or read up on what mysql is and how to use it...
<3> Hmm, people still use Mancrank?
<0> the howto would probably be easier for you....
<0> Psi-Jack: my bad... mandriva :-P
<3> bashusr: What? Did they change names or something?
<0> long time ago.
<1> ok thanks i'll try
<3> Heh. I see. I stopped paying attention to everything Mandrake is, was, and was going to be.
<4> mandriva!
<0> boy
<0> mandriva stinks
<0> 500 dollars for nothing!
<0> for stuff i can ./configure;make;make install myself
<3> Geeze! Mandriva costs $500?
<1> i got it for free
<1> and the power pack i urpmi it
<3> Must be their "enterprise" bling crap that costs $500.
<3> It'
<3> It's sad really. Mandrake, started out, claiming to be a more opensource distribution than Red Hat when it first came out. Now long at the piece of crap.
<3> s/long/look/
<5> Can I use mysql in commercial software on a web based application for free?
<0> map7: you can't "sell" the mysql part of it
<0> but sure... you can have a php program that uses mysql without having to be charged for anything
<6> hi. i have two tables of sizes 10 and 16 million respectively, record sizes for both are about the same
<6> is it better to do a join or query one, get the results and then query the other?
<5> bashusr, nah I'm selling the mysql part, I'm creating software in JSP which uses mysql
<6> better as in quicker...
<0> map7: http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/commercial-license.html
<5> bashusr, I was told today that if I was using it on a server there would be a license charge?
<0> it depends...
<0> are you including mysql with your program?
<0> if so... yes, you will have to get a license...
<0> if you're writing the thing completely in JSP and it uses mysql as the main db... the individual people you would be selling it to would have to worry about licensing...
<0> woah wait...
<0> i'm reading the license... and according to this...
<0> if you don't want to release your source... it would be comsidered distrobution
<0> Selling software that requires customers to install MySQL themselves on their own machines.
<0> which means i would be wrong and you would be required to get a license
<7> meaning you have to pay
<7> lol
<8> )
<5> what about if I'm running the application as web application on my own server and I charge people a monthly fee to use my software, would I still require a license?
<0> map7: i'm 50-80% sure that most companies don't even bother...
<0> but technically, from how i'm understanding this license...
<0> yes, if you do not release your source...
<0> you will have to have a license..
<9> stored proceedures, can you default a parameter such that if it isnt p***ed in, it is implied?
<5> bashusr, Ok my understanding is the same.
<0> which makes me wonder...
<0> who pays for mysql in a cpanel installation?
<0> cpanel or the individual hosting companies that buy cpanel?
<10> no one
<10> they aren't distributing mysql
<10> if they're packaging mysql with it then cpanel is paying
<10> if you have licensing questions you should email license@mysql.com
<0> firewire: according to the website...
<0> somebody has to pay for licensing....
<10> cpanel pays for it
<10> then that amount is included in the price for cpanel
<0> so does that mean the hosting service doesn't have to pay mysql anything directly?
<0> and....
<10> but that's only if cpanel is actually shipping out mysql code
<10> right
<0> if a hosting service decides not to use cpanel
<10> yahoo uses mysql
<0> but installs mysql for its users....
<10> but since they don't ship it anywhere they don't pay for it
<0> does the hosting service have to pay for it?
<10> no
<0> then there is a loophole...
<10> look
<10> I'm not a lawyer
<10> if you have licensing questions email mysql
<0> if you're hosting your own non-GPL mysql app.. you have to get a license
<10> no you don't
<0> if you get a hosting service to do it... you don't...
<0> firewire: it's all theoretical right now
<10> if you DISTRIBUTE mysql you have to have a license
<0> i have no need for this.... yet.
<0> odd... very odd...
<0> this definitely cuts into the profits of php freelance programmers...
<0> if everything they program for their "customer" sites would require a license...
<0> or maybe there is another loophole for that...
<2> I don't think you're interpreting it correctly for that case
<3> bashusr: How so? If you DISTRIBUTE mysql with the product, you pay license.
<2> it seems to me that that would be the responsibility of the owner of the server upon which MySQL resides
<0> Psi-Jack: "If you develop and distribute a commercial application and as part of utilizing your application, the end-user must download a copy of MySQL; for each derivative work, you (or, in some cases, your end-user) need a commercial license for the MySQL server and/or MySQL client libraries."
<2> if you're just coding for a customer who has their own database and your software connects to it, it ain't your problem.
<0> writing a php app for a company would seem to fall under "develop and distribute"
<10> they distributing php code NOT MYSQL
<10> sheesh
<10> it's really not that difficult
<0> firewire: read my statement from the licensing page
<10> if I write code php code that can connect to mysql no one has to pay for a license
<3> bashusr: So make MySQL optional, and support PostgreSQL as well. :)
<0> Psi-Jack: i think postgresql licensing is even more restrictive...
<0> or is it BSD licensing?
<3> bashusr: No. It's BSD.
<0> firewire: if you can intepret it differently... i'm willing to listen
<3> You could literally embed postgresql into your whole project, and still sell it. Thanks to the wonderful BSD license.
<0> Psi-Jack: guess that's one important reason to support ADODB when writing php apps
<0> *whew*
<3> bashusr: That, or PEAR.
<10> bashusr email license@mysql.com
<10> or sales@mysql.com
<10> they can answer all your questions
<0> firewire: i don't have any need for this!
<0> i'm just discussing...
<10> we don't know about the license
<0> that's what is chatting for
<0> YOU don't.... let others talk.
<10> you're probably going to get mis information
<10> unless there is a lawyer in here
<3> I have a lawyer. :)
<0> true... but the postgresql option seems pretty valid...
<0> saved me from (in the future) getting a license
<0> of course when you email sales@mysql.com they're going to tlel you to buy a license!
<10> no they aren't
<10> only if you need one
<11> I have the following in a file called "hostname.err" This is a fresh install of mysql41-server on FreeBSD 5.4. When I run /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server.sh start, I don't get any errors (not to stdout, nor to /var/log/messages) but then mysqld hasn't actually started - I found this using ps and the 'status' option with the mysql-server.sh script. Can anyone help with this?
<11> The *.err file appears after I run " mysqld_safe --user=mysql --datadir=/var/db/mysql --pid-file=/var/db/mysql/hercules.pid"
<0> sh4d03: try #freebsd
<0> i never seen hostname.err on my linux installs...
<11> bashusr: by hostname.err it's MyHostname.err - in this case - hercules.err
<0> yes.
<0> never heard or saw anything like that...
<11> I tried ##freebsd first, one guy is trying to help but started thinking it's a question for a mysql person - so I'm stuck between two places :(
<0> lol
<0> as usual
<0> what is in the .err file again?
<11> http://pastebin.com/534840
<11> ^^ that
<0> new install right?
<11> bashusr: new install of mysql yes.
<0> have you run mysql_install_db?
<0> rm -rf /var/db/mysql/*
<0> and run mysql_install_db
<0> you probably don't have any dbs configured/installed
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