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<0> I'm looking at the pseudocode for RtlUnwind, and.... Yeek! Just... yeek!
<0> Making that work would be a Pain in the ***.
<0> Sure, I'd need a new hard drive, but whatever...
<1> :(
<0> What?
<1> just run xp? :)
<0> Yeah.
<0> Is there a -problem- with XP?
<1> depends what you use it for i guess
<2> xp is pretty good
<2> it's the bestest windows yet
<0> Look at it this way: The more I move towards doing everything in XP, the more that has to include SBCL/Win32.
<3> IPmonger: That's not much of an appreciation <-:
<4> ahh
<4> Man
<0> At least until I get completely fed up with it, and fork. ^_^
<1> hehe
<4> I've been archiving my emails over tme
<4> time*
<4> from friends/mailing lists and other things
<2> z0d: ok, how 'bout i paid for the upgrade version of xp pro
<1> i tried to go to XP around christmas
<4> And I have like 13,000 emails and I want to delete them all...this will take a long time :(
<1> but i ended up spending too much time playing games
<1> it was nice having all the hardware on my laptop supported, though.
<4> Unless...I can write a script to do it for me :P.
<0> It's nice having -suspend- on my laptop supported.
<1> saying that, the only thing that doesnt work in linux on my laptop is the SD card reader
<5> yawgmoth7: You don't have access to the mail server?
<0> Yeah, I was in basically the same position. Had everything but suspend and the SD card reader working.
<0> Was using ndiswrapper for the wifi card, but whatever.
<1> suspend works for me, i didnt think it would
<0> What're you running?
<1> sorry, hibernate, not suspend
<1> ubuntu dapper
<0> Hell, I didn't even have working hibernate. It would work -once-, and then I had to reboot.
<6> nyef: that forward declare worked
<0> Hardware?
<0> tritcheyMini: Cool. I was actually looking at the manual and alien internals, which is why it came to mind.
<4> rydis, well I guess I technically do but it's gmail and it only lets you delete fifty emails at a time.
<6> yeah - the sb-alien docs seem very complete, until you try to do something in anger.
<4> Well as far as I know
<0> Mmm... Opaque data types, anyone?
<1> nyef: one moment.. http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/Gateway/3000Series/4653sp3.shtml
<0> And WTF is up with that @%@^ "forced to do runtime" message?
<6> yeah - that is very annoying
<6> I've got two of those popping up on me right now
<6> what is really strange is that when I switched all of the win32 socket stuff over to sb-grovel, many of those went away
<5> yawgmoth7: Doesn't gmail speak pop3 or imap? Some light reading of the specs of those protocols ought to help you out. (And, no, you don't have access to it the way I meant.)
<0> ... Really?
<6> but that may be because I was doing something wrong with my alien definitions
<6> scratch that
<0> What gets me is that they occur when you know and expect the behavior.
<0> Yeah, I'm getting 5 of them on my current set of definitions.
<6> the issue with the socket stuff was that is was recompiling everything all the time
<0> From LOADCURSOR, LOADICON, CREATEWINDOW, BEGINPAINT, and GETSTOCKOBJECT...
<0> There's never a warning about -integers-, though.
<0> Even though they can cons.
<0> And the type-equivalency... Ugh.
<0> Okay, moving right along...
<0> I have my old proof-of-concept SBCL/Win32 GUI demo working.
<6> did you figure it out?
<0> I decided to punt for now.
<6> (openssl:bio-new (openssl:bio-s-accept)) works for me too
<0> Before I put any kind of serious effort into sorting this out, I want to know where I'm going.
<6> yeah - now I just have to set up a CA
<0> So I'm here again: http://www.dridus.com/~nyef/hello-lisp-world.png
<0> And I'm not at all sure were I want to go from here.
<6> gratz
<6> threading!
<0> No, no... User interface stuff.
<0> I suppose I could make sure that my ebx-threads patches still work and don't screw anything up on linux/threads or windows.
<0> But seriously.
<0> User interface stuff.
<3> Is there a (fairly)? complete portable POSIX library?
<7> there isn't even in C :)
<5> z0d: Isn't osicat that?
<3> rydis: As far as I know there no mkfifo support. Though I'm cheking it now.
<3> Unfortunatelly it doesn't have it.
<5> Hmm. CLiki down?
<3> Yup.
<4> rydis, I
<4> rydis, yeah I just found out it was down too.
<4> It's too bad
<4> I've just been using googles cache
<4> To browse CLiki
<5> Yawgmoth7: Seems easy enough to use telnet-ssl to do bulk deletions, by the way.
<5> Perhaps easier to use something like mutt to tag/delete everything; I don't really remember the whether the POP-protocol can mark ranges for deletion.
<4> rydis, yeah.
<8> the problem with cliki seems to be some kind of spam that causes something in the text indexing to fall over and die horribly
<8> spam has, quite frankly, spoiled the whole damn internet for me to the point that computers don't actually interest me much
<8> but anyway, it's back now
<0> dan_b: Is there some way we could help you in maintaining cliki?
<5> dan_b: Thank you.
<4> dan_b, yeah thanks for putting it back up.
<8> nyef: not on the machine that currently hosts it: I really can't go around giving accounts out
<8> it might be worth moving it to cl.net or something
<0> dan_b: If alternate hosting could be arranged? I'm sure drewc wouldn't have a problem with providing hosting...
<8> yeah, possibly. the codebase is in something ofa dreadful messa t the moment, at least insofar as it's completly out of sync with the released cliki
<8> but it wouldn't be hard to tar it and the data up
<8> anyway, must rush to supermarket and buy pasta while it;s open. bbiaf
<0> Have fun.
<0> clhs inline
<9> http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/d_inline.htm
<10> no! don't restart the inline discussion
<0> Wasn't going to. Need to inline a function, and didn't remember which of {declaim,proclaim} I needed to use.
<6> was nyef ever convinced of the error of his ways?
<0> What, with the scope of a toplevel declaration (via declaim or proclaim)?
<6> I was just joking - I was recalling a conversation you were having one evening this week.
<0> Yeah, was it that conversation?
<6> yeah
<0> No, I'm not at all convinced I am wrong.
<6> I didn't think so
<0> I've come up with only one plausible line of attack, though, for the other side.
<6> something about specificity or inconsistency in the spec?
<0> Yeah.
<0> There's a precedence rule for resolving inconsistencies in the spec.
<6> too funny
<0> So you could hold the alternative interpretation, and argue that the precedence rule covers the exceptions implied by the inline/notinline case.
<0> It'd still be complete bovine excrement, but...
<0> Oh, and I've figured out how to get rid of a number of those %SAP-ALIEN warnings.
<6> do tell
<0> Inlining the wrapper functions for the alien funcalls means that the args don't need boxing.
<6> oo - I'll give that a try
<6> will sbcl complain about Undefined alien: "BIO_set_accept_port" if I have my function signature wrong?
<0> Doesn't fix 'em all, of course, but does nail a number of them...
<0> Can't imagine that it would...
<6> or can it just not find the symbol itself. Can't figure out why it is not seeing that one.
<0> Any ideas for how to declare a function that takes an unsigned-short -or- a c-string as an argument?
<0> (With the logic being that nobody will p*** a c-string with a high word of 0)
<6> an overloaded function?
<0> Sortof, yeah. LoadCursorA()
<0> You want to hear something fun? Turns out that in win32, a BOOL can have values of 0, 1, or -1.
<11> -1: kinda true, but not false. Don't take at face value. :P
<0> Actually, it's GetMessage(). It returns 1 if the message isn't WM_QUIT, 0 if the message is WM_QUIT, and -1 on error. But it's declared to return a BOOL.
<8> ... and then you must cut down the tallest tree in the forest. with a herring
<5> Hmm. Bjrn Victor claims on his LispM page that he's managed to get Meroko to work with networking. I wonder if that's in the latest release, or if I should mail him and ask, since I can't get the release to network.
<6> Okay - LoadCursorA is going to be my working hypothesis for why Microsoft is evil.
<0> rydis: If memory serves, dseagrav isn't doing "releases", and the latest code is in the svn repository.
<5> nyef: The release I was referring to was the tarball from unlambda.com, which contains code not in svn.
<0> tritcheyMini: Ah, but it made sense at the time! (That time involved one of the 16-bit versions of windows, almost certainly pre-pmode...)
<0> rydis: No clue, then.
<5> I take it that no-one awake, at least, has managed to get networking running, then.
<0> I haven't bothered trying, really.
<6> nyef: I'll have to take your word for it.
<5> nyef: OK. I haven't tried out nevermore, yet, by the way. Any day...
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