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<0> I know I certainly do
<1> nyef - you could be using SMB. :)
<2> Yeah, seen it this year...
<0> every time someone starts a paragraph with "From the CLHS:"
<2> Adamat: And I am. My system is three disasters in one: Linux, WinXP, and coLinux.
<1> lol, nice
<2> Xof: It's even better when it happens >From within the middle of a sentance.
<3> nyef: heh. "Trinity" would probably be a good name, then (:
<4> nyef: what is coLinux?
<1> so what is your system of choice for remote filesystems?
<1> Cooperative Linux
<3> sneakernet (:
<1> runs Linux in Ring 1
<2> gimbal: There's this google thing...
<1> on a WinXP machine
<2> Adamant: ... Ring 1? Hunh, I'll have to check the sources, I thought it was in ring 0.
<1> nyef, IIRC that was how it was done originally
<0> arguments of the form "it's the least worst thing" are frankly the whole _point_ of the Unix-Hater's Handbook
<0> for goodness' sake, learn from history
<1> I think they may have changed it
<2> I have a whole long list of gripes about coLinux...
<1> eh, I just run Linux and then VMWare or QEMU a Windows image
<1> when I need Windows
<1> wish I had a virtualizing processor
<4> nyef: it may not be any of my business, but I'm curious about why you keep ti installed, then - "your user's perspective I guess"
<2> gimbal: Because not having it would be worse.
<4> misplaced the end-quote
<5> is there something better than NFS nowadays
<4> nyef: hah; if you would not mind the question, what does it provide that you would not want to go without?
<1> rr-- - some people would argue AFS, Coda, etc.
<4> rr--: i haven't worked with it, but CMU has develped a Coda filesystem; afaik, it was developed somehow after their Andrew filesystem
<1> the problem is that nobody has good support for them
<2> These days? ... not much, actually. I think it works out to "X-Chat".
<6> Adamant, have you seen any numbers on the improvement to be expected from a virtualizing processor?
<1> so in practice you end up back with NFS/SMB
<1> timjr, not personally
<1> supposedly it's suppose to run about 90-97% of regular speed
<3> nyef: wow. that's an unexpected answer.
<1> I'm surprised nyef isn't using irssi and telling us xchat users to get a real IRC client
<2> antifuchs: Yeah, I keep being suprised by it myself.
<7> Adamant: Screw irssi, use a real IRC client -- ERC! ;)
<3> does xchat have a non-horrible GUI yet? (:
<4> mumble mumble M-x erc-connect-freenode RET mumble mumble
<1> it's Unix, all the GUIs are horrible
<3> Adamant: there are shades of horribility
<3> Adamant: for instance, there's xmms, and then there's a lot of nothing, and then begins the shade of barely usable apps (:
<1> that's funny, because I find xmms unusable and I am looking for alternatives
<7> *laughs* Sometimes tells me you're a fan of xmms :D
<4> imo, blender has a nice gui. I haven't got dug in with raytracing, but it has a nice GUI
<2> xmms? At least it's not xine.
<1> the default xmms skin makes it impossible to see the minimize button on my machine
<8> amarok is very nice
<6> xine, *giggle*
<3> I was beginning at the unusable end. (:
<1> lol, ha
<1> sorry :)
<1> it's 6AM in the morning
<1> stupider than usual
<1> minion: chant
<9> MORE INTERESTING
<10> Adamant: if you have lots of ram and/or run KDE, try amaroK, heavy but most usable of all I tried (says GNOME fan ;)
<1> japhy`, I'm about to try muine
<3> I really like amarok, too.
<8> amarok has plenty of nice goodies
<1> but first I have to recompile everything on my system.... the cost of Gentoo
<3> for instance, good library management which doesn't slow down when handling >40k songs (:
<6> since I learned how to strip the menu bar, tool bar, and scroll bars, this emacs gui has been nearly perfect
<10> Adamant: I don't know of anything lighter that works and is not xmms. Tried bmpx, if it was something less unstable it would be good, but let it mature befure actually using
<6> if only my xft emacs would run for more than a few minutes
<2> timjr: Sounds about right. I have all that junk in my .xinitrc...
<10> Yuck, mono...
<10> (wrt muine)
<10> I don't have *that* much ram, I'll stick with amarok ;)
<1> yeah, the mono part stinks
<8> I wrote a common lisp script to generate a catalog of my amarok-managed mp3s. exemple: http://crazyrobot.hd.free.fr/~sergio/eagle-eye/output/artists.html
<8> login: freaks p***word: unidos
<8> click on the "+" to expand :)
<3> KSergio: that's fantastic!
<3> KSergio: I've wanted to do this for a /long/ time
<8> :) thanks. I have to upgrade it to the new amarok's database schema
<3> KSergio: would you share the source? I'd really like to take a look at it (:
<8> I can send it to you if you want, but as I say, it is obsolete to respect of the new amarok database schema
<8> sure
<8> wait
<11> antifuchs: So, you have the same problems with music handling as I have with mail handling? :)
<8> its a kick hack,tho, antifuchs
<3> ingvar: mine is that there's never enough music (;
<3> oh, and that (:
<11> Oh, I have enough email...
<4> going by the URL at the cliki for the spatial-trees codebase, i'd expected it might be available in the cclan.sourceforge.net cclan cvs module, but it isn't; would anyone happen to know what is the project where the spatial-trees codebase is developed? (would rather check it out with cvs, if possible, so as to be able to update it, locally that way, if needed)
<11> More if anything broke.
<11> nmh/exmh copes. Nothing else I've tried does.
<4> mmm mail-system breakage is fun
<3> ingvar: dovecot and wanderlust work for me nicely...
<11> Does that combo deal with M***ive Mail Folders gracefully?
<8> antifuchs, i sent you the url to the script in messages. gotta go lunch now, bye :)
<0> gimbal: you can't. It's in a private subversion repository on my workstation's hard drive
<0> sorry
<3> great, thanks!
<3> ingvar: it does, I think
<3> ingvar: there are few sensible imap clients, but the ones that work, do (:
<1> workstation sounds so much cooler than "Dell PC"
<1> (I'm guilty of this myself...)
<12> Consider the server Dell PC.
<1> if it ain't got SNA....
<12> No. Server and workstation are simply what the box is doing.
<12> Nothing whatsoever to do with hardware.
<13> although certain hardware parameters are better for each task, of course
<1> (I was kidding, of course)
<13> sorry, I shouldn't wander in in the middle of a conversation like that :)
<1> I wonder what the selling point of mainframes is now besides reliability
<1> PC's can even do hardware virtualization
<12> Less administration.
<12> I'm not sure if it's a fact, but it's a selling point.
<1> fair enough
<3> ingvar: my inboxes are 1600 messages and 3660 messages long, both. there are other folders with 6k messages in them, and opening them takes 2 seconds.
<13> cpu power, and m***ive multiprocessing, surely?
<12> Google is doing m***ive multiprocessing on a bunch of Dell PCs.
<13> yes, it's not the only way to get it...
<1> and we're gonna have 32-core x86's by 2010
<1> or whenever
<12> At work, I have a 60-or-so Solaris box system which I think would be less difficult to administer if it was a single mainframe, which I believe would be achievable.
<13> yes, but those aren't here today, and when they do arrive, 2048-core machines will be the "m***ive" ones
<12> I have also stated this opinion to the customer, but it's their money.
<13> heh, I see
<13> that makes sense though
<1> dankna, main point is that software will have to be parallelizable
<13> oh. well yes.
<1> cliini, what do you think about Sun's heavy iron?
<4> dell gets around, eh; seems they have a deal with some tv shows to get their logo shown, fwiw
<1> heh, when I think of that stuff I think of Cisco and '24'
<1> 'we have self-defending networks. now excuse us while we trace them over their RS232 port'
<4> heh; cisco, i've been wary of, after hearing of them & china; yahoo & google were in with it, also - yahoo the worst, directly helping the chinese gov to make a political prisoner of a person
<14> we've found somebody! Quick! Torture them! For what information?! We'll get that later! Torture them now!
<4> iirc, there was a frontline documentary about it. there was a congressional hearing about it, also
<4> it was the one about "tank man"; pardon the WOT, but nobody in china knows of the guy standing in front of the tank in Tianenmen Square
<1> I don't trust Cisco because of the backdoors they are putting in everything
<4> google actively fitlters-out any info on it
<14> gimbal - WOT?
<1> for 'lawful intercept'
<4> in china
<4> ayrnieu: way off topic, yah
<1> that, and the backdoor they forgot to pull from some program when it got deployed
<1> reminds me of how IBM was advertising how AS/400's can't be broken into, while they had a fairly well known backdoor p***word on many machines that would let you in easily
<14> gimbal - http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htiw/articles/20060704.aspx
<3> Adamant: well, that's not a break-in, then (;
<1> it is if you aren't IBM. :)
<0> fwiw, my workstation is an IBM IntelliStation, not a Dell PC
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