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<0> hello
<0> does anyone know of a good tutorial for conditions and restarts?
<1> pitman's paper
<2> The PCL chapter might be good. (I don't know.)
<1> "exceptional situations in CL"
<3> http://www.nhplace.com/kent/Papers/Exceptional-Situations-1990.html
<0> ty
<0> googling for it is difficult since every tutorial talks about conditional statements, but few have good coverage of conditions/restarts, including PCL
<3> hm, cl-user.net doesn't seem to index it yet
<4> Riastradh: I have seen the symbolics-on-x86_64 thing running
<4> it's pretty cool
<5> Now have you seen it in a format such as tar and gzip distributable across the internet, though?
<4> I don't think that distribution is permitted
<5> Humph.
<4> that doesn't mean it isn't happening (;
<5> Well, hurry it up!
<4> I don't know where you could get it, unfortunately
<6> *wink* *wink*, *nudge* *nudge*, know what I mean?
<4> does she /go/?
<4> he asked knowingly
<4> say no more!
<0> i'm a total newbie, and I'm having trouble with conditions
<7> What trouble?
<0> is there a past-bin for this channel or can I just paste directly?
<8> lisppaste: url?
<9> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp and enter your paste.
<9> ltbarcly pasted "conditions for newbie" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/35440
<8> ltbarcly: please, read the topic in channels you join.
<5> ltbarcly, the only part of your program that is protected against an END-OF-FILE condition is `()', which is not a very interesting part.
<1> ltbarcly: what are you trying to achieve with that handler-case that has no code in it?
<0> actually, I did, but I'm using a new irc client that truncated the topic
<1> ltbarcly: use the /topic command
<0> it's just throwaway code because I don't understand how handlers work and so on
<10> "/topic" only works on some clients
<0> ok, I see I think
<11> shh, http://www.unlambda.com/download/genera/
<12> who needs genera when you have mcclim 0.9.4?
<13> "McCLIM 0.9.4 - definitely faster than an emulated CADR on Athas' hardware!"
<13> "Climacs - has less confusing keybindings than Zmacs"
<14> er, zmacs
<2> hefner: That's a little sad. :)
<13> That's really bad.
<12> +;;; with a non-nil bindings list, false otherwise. The effect of this
<12> +;;; variable is to
<15> hi mega1`
<16> hello, I have a style question
<15> striped shirt with plaid pants are always a no-no
<16> I have a generic function that takes keyword args
<16> every method shall have the same default values
<16> but this generic function is exposed to the user
<16> so adding a simple wrapper function around it that p***es on the default values looks strange
<16> ?
<10> does it work?
<16> sure, it would work
<16> the doc would say "users call this functions, implementors extend that function", bleh
<14> you could merge the defaults at call-next-method in an :around method, provided you don't define any other around methods
<17> mega1: % is a nixw character.
<17> *nice
<16> pkhuong-: better than `?
<16> or you mean the function prefix?
<16> hefner: that's a bit fragile
<14> well, you could create your own method combination that hides the defaulting out of the way.
<8> Howdy KingNatoG5
<13> Krystof: why did you bundle fonts when you distributed the standalone binary of McCLIM 0.9.2?
<12> because there's no way of knowing where or if truetype fonts are installed on the user's system
<12> I mean maybe there is but I couldn't work out any way of finding out
<13> As I feared. I'll do the same for my CLIM-Desktop binary.
<12> the command-line tools supplied by fontconfig didn't work
<12> go go gadget jsnell
<18> Athas: So I still haven't given up on playing with McCLIM. Apparently, I missed an occurrence of adobe-courier in Backends/CLX/port.lisp
<18> I tried it again and I finally see something in the "Drei - Lisp" window.
<13> Hooray!
<13> Does it work in general?
<18> Something about the adobe-courier that it doesn't like for some reason...
<18> I've only just gotten the drei-tester code to do something reasonable.
<6> sounds like an X server of very good taste
<4> oooh
<12> excellent. Congratulations
<18> I'll give more of the demos a try.
<12> (apple's adobe-courier is particularly vile)
<6> there's much to dislike about Courier-Default-Ugly
<4> dkick:if I'd known it was a font issue, I'd have pointed you at http://boinkor.net/lisp/font-hackery.lisp /-:
<4> (hah, the 2004 bx lightning talk was not in vain (-:)
<18> antifuchs: I'm more than happy to have you point it at me now, though ;)
<12> the urw-nimbus variant of adobe-courier is acceptable
<4> to use it on today's mcclim, you will have to change :clim-clx-user to :mcclim; that should be all, I think
<12> did you have to change buffer-listen-default in the end?
<12> (or are you using ACL CLX?)
<18> :D
<4> also, note the horrible (eval '(defmethod ...)) thing in asdf:perform :after. that piece of horribility was a group effort (:
<18> Finally...
<13> antifuchs: I like the calls to `intern'!
<18> Thanks to all who helped. Especially Athas and hefner.
<13> I had to do the same thing in some CLISP-compat code in McCLIM.
<4> Athas: heh
<8> theoretically, that bit of horribleness could be replaced with some MOPery, could it not?
<13> chandler: the problem is that the CLIM-CLX package is not loaded at read-time, so no.
<13> Unless you are referring to another horribleness, of course.
<8> the EVAL
<18> antifuchs: As you've pointed me at the font-hackery, should I take that to mean I've stumbled on a known issue? Or would a e-mail to mcclim-devel be worth it?
<8> the INTERN's all right :-)
<12> chandler: it's quite hard to define methods at runtime
<12> it's something I would have to look up
<4> dkick: not a known issue, I think. that piece of code was intended to prettify the horrible pre-freetype default fonts for mcclim on linux.
<18> Krystof: I'm using ACL CLX
<13> dkick: it wouldn't hurt, but there are very few ACL-using McCLIM hackers, so you should not expect fast response.
<8> I'm worthless at MOP without AMOP by my side, so I guess that makes all MOP tasks equally hard :-)
<12> (and you lose all sorts of optimizations, unless you play all sorts of games with make-method-lambda)
<18> Well, as long as I don't get flamed for using ACL, I don't mind. ;)
<12> dkick: ok, cool. (I believe that there was some thought by some Franz people to start supporting the telent thing, but it may not have taken hold)
<13> dkick: you should rather 1) figure out a neat replacement font and post a workaround on mcclim.cliki.net or mcclim-devel, and 2) write a complete font-configuration and -detection system for the CLX backend!
<12> dkick: the mailing list is much nicer than I am
<2> I imagined there was some requirement for the default font to be Courier. Did I dream that?
<18> Athas: I'll see what I can do but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.
<11> please write an interface to libfontconfig.so and a font chooser dialog and post them to mcclim-devel
<18> I mean, physician, heal thyself is kinda harsh when I'm not even a Dr. of McCLIM.
<18> ;)
<14> I guses we could have several levels of fonts it could fall back through, if there are nicer bitmap fonts on many systems.
<13> rydis: it wasn't on the Lisp Machine!
<12> emarsden: isn't that effectively lichtblau's font chooser demo under gtkairo?
<12> (I don't know how it works; I've only seen the screenshots)
<13> Krystof: it runs under CLX as well.
<11> oh, I haven't seen the screenshots!
<13> If you nudge it a bit with the debugger when it takes a wrong turn.
<12> Athas: but probably not with fontconfig, or am I wrong
<13> http://sigkill.dk/athas/gtkairoshots/
<4> rydis: mcclim requires a fixed-width font that is widely available, and has bold/regular weights and italic/regular slant.
<4> rydis: but no fixed-width font except courier seems to have a bold italic style
<4> at least none that are accessible without freetype (:
<4> ...and easily available on a mcclim developer's system (:
<11> very pretty font chooser
<12> and chooser of very pretty fonts!
<14> ooh, shiny.
<12> (I like it when other people are responsible for the shiny)
<13> For some reason, I find the text-size demo really impressive.
<13> I guess all the colored lines makes it seem important.
<13> And the speed of CLIM-FIG makes me very happy.
<4> you seem to have caught a web 2.0/typography meme. proceed t lobotomy desk #6.
<4> (-:
<4> no input editing, eh? (;
<8> spealing of lobotomies, does anyone remember OTOH how to force SLIME back to the old completion algorithm?
<12> is that really what "OTOH" stands for?
<4> (setq-default slime-complete-symbol-function 'slime-simple-complete-symbol)
<19> chandler: set slime-complete-symbol-function to something
<4> (I think)
<8> thanks
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