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<0> er .. http://www.gpoaccess.gov/ [wot]
<0> http://www.uspto.gov/ fwiw - wants the 'www' host on the FQDN
<1> heh
<0> hey, fwiw, like to Mr. Bezos' favor http://www.oreilly.com/news/amazon_patents.html : "In an unprecedented turnaround, amazon.com founder and CEO Jeff Bezos has embraced Tim O'Reilly's call for software patent reform and proposed a radical patent reform policy." </blog>
<1> wow really?!
<2> omgwtfbbq!!!!!!111eleven
<3> thanks for that
<3> *!*@*.rr.com
<3> ;)
<0> bodi wtf? afaik, bodi is a historical artefact of a city in the great basin, twoards west-coast us
<4> I almost did, but I wondered if I'm going to be told off for banning ten million people AGAIN. ;-)
<0> was some sort of a mining city; has a natnl' park there, now
<0> and at that park, you can see a drinking mug made specifically for men with very large moustaches, to a point of a style of the day, heh
<5> looks like SACLA doesn't have FORMAT yet.
<6> would it be considered gross for a library .asd file to depend on symbols pushed onto *features* (by the application using the library) to determine what which subsets of the library to load? (think plugins).
<6> Or is it just better to have separate .asd files? Like cl-sql does for instance.
<0> junrue67: heh, I'd say that if it works for what you need it to, it ain't gross
<7> junrue67: How long have you been hanging out in here?
<0> like, systematically speaking
<6> gimbal: yeah, there's that
<6> nyef: off and on for about a week or two
<6> nyef: or do you mean, just today?
<7> Ah, okay.
<7> No, no. I just put five and twenty-seven together.
<2> no, put five and thirty-seven together
<7> No, it was twenty-seven.
<2> then buy the tea with that number
<0> hey, spekaing of *features* : anyone would know if there is an implementation that would break if encountering like #+abcd::abcdefg when there would be no ABCD package defined?
<0> SBCL doesn't break on it; I'm sure that CMUCL wouldn't, not been sure of others
<6> gimbal: not you, the bit about 5 and twenty-seven
<0> junrue67: the feature symbol includes the name of a package that might not be defined when the symbol is (however one would call it -- this not being like 'normal' evaluation, given the #. conditional) evaluated
<7> junrue67: In xarq's case, it was a hitchhikers guide reference.
<6> nyef: oh, ok :-)
<0> junrue67: ahah, heh
<7> (At least, I think it was...)
<2> yes
<2> (good-lisp-t-shirt-ideasp anyone)
<4> My other car is a cdr!
<4> No, sorry, you said good.
<6> "Get your setf enhancement products at 1-800-EXP-ANDER"
<2> I know I'm beating a dead horse asking, but It's about that time to make one
<6> ok, that was bad
<1> lispmeister has some ok shirts
<1> I still want to know where gigamonkey got that one in his video
<1> with just "()" on it
<2> I dunno, but you can make 'em on cafepress.com
<8> why not just buy a boxes & pointers or green alien or lizard shirt?
<2> maybe a good short (defmacro...)
<9> room ed inspect dribble...
<2> oh, can I use the lisp gecko?
<9> (they appear in that order in the hyperspec)
<0> "Lisp is not a speech impediment" {mumble}
<2> who owns that?
<0> xarq: might try an angle touching on some of the (possible?) theorietic origins of the language, maybe viz. lambda calculus, viz. Alonzo Church
<0> like, "people like people"
<8> xarq: Manfred Spiller
<10> mbishop: ilc (2002, I think)
<1> xarq: cafepress.com ****s
<0> mbishop: so I hear; imo, they fill a gap with their endeavors, though
<0> officedepot might, also, but not so much with a focus online
<7> #<STANDARD-CL*** WIZARD #x90F3B7> ?
<1> what self respecting hacker would wear a white tshirt?
<0> ...and for that matter, so might other print houses
<10> nyef: hah
<2> nyef: cool (:
<0> kinko's and locals also. e.g. Paradise Printers, FNO, CA
<11> There was an excellent painiting by ed ruscha, "Lisp"
<11> that would look pretty well on e tee
<2> #1=(programmable . #1#) looks appealing
<0> that would work, if you can get rights to print it on a shirt, or not get suited for t
<1> lispmeister's cons cell tshirts and the mccarthy shirts are kind of nice
<1> hot pink?
<2> gimbal: (single-p you)
<8> I would never wear a McCarthy T-shirt, that seems kind of weird to me
<0> ew; not to wear, maybe, heh
<2> gimbal: I'm not asking, it's a shirt)
<1> housel: like if you ment him in real life? :P
<0> xarq: => T
<10> (+ (*) (*)) ; may be a bit rude
<2> hmmm... (hack-cl-p you)
<12> Nil-shirt!
<0> NIL
<13> ()
<0> just NIL, white letter, monospace font, black shrt
<12> I've a SICP shirt, a plain lambda shirt, a Chicken Scheme shirt, and several others. No nil-shirt, unfortunately...
<0> monospace font, maybe with the print-style muxup on the lettering, like as if it was printed on paper. might appeal to the lisper who also listens to some industrial/rock/such
<14> gimbal, i yearn to hear more about your few encounters with women and the conclusions you draw from them.
<0> yeah, and maybe () on the back
<0> lemonodor: "ok; I've not thought it to be a matter bearing much discourse"
<14> who are you quoting?
<4> The April 1st SBCL banner logo ascii art would be nice as a shirt.
<0> that seemed to deserve a quote; btw, I'm not ***uming as if all women were as so, but my mom and a gal I hung out with after H.S are
<14> very interesting
<0> lemonodor: me
<14> perhaps you have a newsletter...?
<0> lemonodor: "nay, none today". The quotes are because, while you ask and I find that I may as well respond, but it doees not appear natural to my person, quote
<0> /quite
<0> for "It" being "this line of questioning"
<7> I just killed my backup Forth disk. :-/
<2> floppy?
<7> Yeah.
<7> Trying to make the build process use a copy of the bootsector stored in the blockfile rather than having to read it up from where it resides on disk each time.
<7> Fortunately, I managed to multiboot-enable the system earlier today...
<15> do people generally consider Common Lisp to be a "scripting language" ? It's dynamically typed, and it shortens the the traditional edit-compile-link-run process, so I would guess that it is.
<2> nyef: hmm... for x86, right?
<16> dcnstrct: No.
<7> No, I'm not convinced that Common Lisp partakes of the scripting nature.
<11> dcnstrct, lisp is in the league where that distinction is meaningless
<7> xarq: Right.
<17> dcnstrct: I would say no, because it's really bad at doing anything unix-like.
<15> so it's hard to write scripts in common-lisp to automate common unix tasks ?
<2> nyef: I have an embedded intel system arriving soon, sounds like something I might like to try on it
<16> dcnstrct: Not in a single implementation. Doing it portably is another matter.
<15> ahh I see
<11> dcnstrct, there is clisp shell if you are interested
<1> not to mention "common unix tasks" are usually handled by the shell
<18> yeah, scripting languages usually come with standard socket ifaces built in.
<16> voidengineer: So do CL implementations.
<15> another question: Does Common Lisp have a good C api ? like if I want to make a wrapper so I can use C libs from common-lisp, is that difficult ?
<1> scripting languages are usually bytecopiled
<18> yeah, but not the 'language'
<17> the areas lisp is weakest in are the areas that I think of as the domain of "scripting languages"
<2> nyef: are you or do you plan on making it available soon?
<18> anyways, no common lisp is a general purpose language.
<1> multiparadigm
<11> dcnstrct, cffi, uffi, and all implementation specific ffis out there
<18> ... it's off to work I go.
<7> xarq: An older version is available somewhere under http://www.lisphacker.com/temp/ , but right now I'm thinking about completely redesigning it.
<2> nyef: ah, ok (:
<15> aight thanks everyone you've been most helpful
<11> dcnstrct, try cliki.net
<15> kk
<16> No, we haven't, really. ;)
<2> I think cliki's down
<2> the IP address looks bad too
<11> then google in the meantime
<15> yeah you have, I asked a terribly difficult question, and you guys at least tried to answer... I don't think anyone is clear on exactly what makes a langauge "scripting" or not
<15> I've heard 30 different answers
<15> from 30 different people
<16> Which is exactly why I don't think our answers are all that helpful. :)
<11> dcnstrct, you were lucky to not get roasted :)
<10> prepare for 32 from 31
<10> it is one. it is not one.
<15> lol
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