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<0> http://www.cliki.net/Log4CL # whose is this feedback?
<0> yes, I'm sure generaic function dispatch is slower than writing to syslog, for ****'s sake
<1> "maxm", it says. No-one I can place.
<2> voidengineer pasted "Slim-Vim version 0.1 news" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/22492
<3> voidengineer: that is a little unnecessary.
<4> Xach what now?
<3> voidengineer: pasting stuff from mailing lists into lisppaste
<4> I can see no better alternative; certainly not in the channel itself.
<1> voidengineer: I imagine the list has an archive.
<1> Unfortunately my BeOS+vim-using friend who just ordered PCL and is learning Lisp is at a festival right now, so I can't tip him about it. ;)
<0> BeOS+vim ? that's a bit ... mainstream, isn't it?
<4> Look, I'm aware that many of you care not about the fact that other people want to use a different editor to work on cl code, but when it's been as long as it has, having emacs reign as champion lisp editor, it might interest maybe one, or two of you here to know that the p***ionate users of vim are working on remedying vim's lack of CL functionality.
<1> dan_b: Yeah. MacLisp+ITS+TECO EMACS 4ev4h! ;)
<5> voidengineer: the point is not about vim, but that you should have instead given a URL to the mailing list archive page for that message
<1> dan: There seems to actually be a semi-ancient port of clisp for BeOS, at least. ;)
<4> alright, I'll do so if I require such a thing in the future.
<0> there are semi-ancient ports of clisp for everything up to and including the amiga, iirc
<6> Even GameCube?
<0> which, now i think about it, probably means that if only I could persuade palmuae to run properly I could run cl on my palm tx
<0> the gamecube runs linux, with appropriate hacking
<7> I briefly thought about SBCL for BeOS, but then I remembered that BeOS's mmap() doesn't do zero-fill copy-on-write allocations
<0> and there's a ppc backend for sbcl
<1> Hmm. My first encounter with Lisp was xlisp on an Amiga, I think. I mostly found it odd, IIRC.
<6> sbcl, even better :-D
<0> mind you, it's going to be tight in 24Mb
<7> dan_b: hey, that's exactly what I need. P
<7> argh. CL on my PalmOS wristwatch
<0> mostly I wanted palmuae so I coupld play stunt car racer on the tube
<0> but it needs more contiguous memory than I have, or something
<8> dan_b I expect you noticed that there is a very nice Scheme for PalmOS
<0> and I haven't sprung for whatever magic piece of shareware makes it all better
<0> dcorking: I ***ume you're talking about lispme
<7> dang, this needs an ARM, and my watch is a dragonball
<6> all 66mhz of it chandler`
<9> Is there one hook which runs after the whole of SLIME has loaded?
<8> PalmOS wristwatch :( I went into the Fossil shop 2 weeks ago and asked - they told me they have no more, because they are waiting for the launch of their new microsoft pda watch
<8> chandler what are you trying to run on your watch?
<9> When I put some stuff in (eval-after-load 'slime, it gets executed concurrently with the loading of SLIME. That's not what I want.
<10> voidengineer: I cared back in January when I started hacking in common lisp, but in the following six months I've all but stopped using vim for anything but old machines I don't feel like updating and quick file browsing
<8> dan_b: lispme - yes.
<0> tbh it's sufficient pain trying to write () in graffiti that I haven't played with any lisp stuff at all on it yet
<8> ok - i will look out for the palmos fossil watch on the grey market - meanwhile - back to figuring out this [] syntax for clsql
<0> oh, and t and x. damn graffiti 2
<8> (1- graffiti2)
<8> (1+ on-screen-keyboard)
<6> dan_b: there's always putty and screen :-D
<9> Nobody?
<0> waddletron2k: sorry, I'm lost. what was that comment in response to ?
<11> fasta, what do you mean `concurrently with the loading of SLIME?'
<9> Riastradh: I mean that loading messages (the things in *Messages* when you load SLIME) and my test (print "foo") (print "bar") expressions are interspersed.
<11> Interspersed how?
<11> lisppaste: url
<2> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp and enter your paste.
<6> dan_b: There's no place like home. Failing to run lisp on the device itself, with the abundance of wireless networks open these days, you could always go $HOME while you're out.
<9> Riastradh: Ok, that's not the problem. I was wrong. The problem is that I want to do the equivalent of C-x f foo.scm right after SLIME is loaded. But instead it gets loaded in the background.
<9> Riastradh: I.e. it does show up in Buffer list.
<11> fasta, I'm confused.
<9> Riastradh: Somehow doing (find-file "foo.scm") is different from C-x C-f foo.scm
<0> waddletron: in principle, yes. in practice, even mobile coverage is not yet available on the london underground system
<11> Can you please give the details that you have observed, rather than your own bizarre conclusions from them?
<9> Riastradh: ok, I will create a nice story.
<6> dan_b: ah, in that case, buy a super cheap laptop off of ebay? Lifebooks are pretty decent now I think...
<10> waddletron2k: why bother when intel motherboards go for 4" x 3" nowadays?
<0> I don't want to be using a laptop on the tube. great way to get mugged
<6> true
<0> it's not a major deal anyway
<6> dan_b: you could become borg ;-)
<0> liek I said, I'd rather be playing stunt car racer than lisping for the fifteen minute journey time
<12> yes, but using an ipod and a reasonable palm/cellphone is also a good way
<6> xarq: I doubt he wants to do all that hardware hacking
<6> xarq: also, which boards are you talking about?
<10> waddletron2k: yes, it is quite a lot ATM
<10> waddletron2k: http://www.tracan.com/products/pdetail.php?v=29&c=56&p=658&x=2
<6> You mean 4.5 x practically 4 inches?
<6> :)
<10> yeah
<10> trunc
<10> 800mhz though xD
<9> Riastradh: http://paste.lisp.org/display/22497
<11> fasta, I suspect that there is some misunderstanding here concerning the perhaps loaded term `loaded.'
<11> When I say `after SLIME is loaded,' I mean `after the definitions of SLIME's functions and variables have been evaluated by Emacs from slime.el,' so that redefinitions of those won't be clobbered and references to them won't be errors.
<11> I suspect that when you say `after SLIME is loaded,' you mean `after I typed M-x slime RET and the REPL buffer has come up.'
<0> whee. tealscript. I should have installed that a long time ago
<8> I just read "Literal SQL statements can simply be enclosed in the square bracket syntax," I think my life will be easier with that nugget of knowledge
<9> Riastradh: 1) The code you pasted on lisppaste is in the right position, right? 2) Your suspicion is correct.
<11> Yes.
<11> The extra code that you added should probably go in a function added to `slime-repl-mode-hook'.
<9> Documentation:
<9> Not documented as a variable.
<8> whee - my select statement now looks like a hybrid of lisp and sql from Alien Resurrection, but it works!
<11> (add-hook 'slime-repl-mode-hook (lambda () (split-window) ...))
<9> Riastradh: ok, that's what I already did. I am starting to get the hang of it.
<9> When I run M-x slime with the hook above I get: error in process filter: Invalid function: (split-window)
<9> Is this the wrong hook? What is a process filer?
<9> er filer
<9> er filter
<13> Perhaps you're using xemacs and split-window doesn't exists there?
<9> pjb: I use GNU Emacs, and that wasn't the problem. But I do have another problem now.
<9> pjb: (swank:buffer-first-change is now called. What should that do?
<13> fasta: I don't know, I'm weak on slime :-(
<9> pjb: Maybe I should only use _documented_ features :?
<13> As a starting point, yes.
<13> They read the sources.
<13> s/They/Then/
<14> Xach: is there a reason wnewman isn't on planet lisp?
<15> both being planet.sbcl.org and planet.lisp.org
<14> I think only machines should be on planet sbcl
<14> but I hadn
<14> 't realized that wnewman had been writing posts again, since I only check planet sbcl occasionally
<15> I think it would be nice to have a (digestified, planet-style) place for blog discussions that aren't of interest to all lispers
<15> so is it considered bad form to have special variables that are then used as default values for keyword args like (defparameter *foo-limit* 42) (defun moose (bar &key (foo-limit *foo-limit*)))
<14> all lisp users are wildly interested in sbcl internals discussions. the more esoteric, the better
<16> slyrus: i think that's good form
<15> ok, thanks lemonodor
<1> Well, I sure am more interested in SBCL internals than in XI. ;)
<15> what? a frame-driven database written in ***embler with a layer of lisp thrown in to confuse people? what's wrong with that?
<1> slyrus: Nothing at all. I'm sure it's cool stuff, but it's not something I'm particularly interested in.
<17> can anyone explain what a frame-driven database is in a few words?
<13> spiaggia: I don't know. I guess it's a kind of oldish OO database.
<17> hmm
<17> Aha, frames as in AI
<18> anyone feel like walking me through adding slime in ubuntu?
<18> anyone here use slime?
<10> basis: you add slime the same way you add almost any .el file to emacs
<18> heh ... unfortunately i haven't used *nix since like 1995
<10> no *nix needed to add it
<18> emacs can add packages internally or something?
<10> basis: not to my knowledge
<18> then how can i do it without unix
<10> basis: you don't need unix to copy a file
<18> ok, let's try this a different way
<18> can anyone help me get slime working?
<19> basis: you have emacs working on your system?
<18> yep
<14> which part of the installation instructions are you having trouble with?
<19> basis: http://www.cliki.net/SLIME-HOWTO - has all you need, code to put in your .emacs and how to install it
<18> the .pdf says to add some lines to .emacs ... i did that but i'm not getting it right
<18> thx sigma
<19> basis: I use debian and it was easy to install, using sbcl as well
<18> hmm ... on ubuntu i'm basically trying what it says and getting nowhere
<18> what's your sbcl path?
<14> how is it not working
<14> ?
<18> doesn't like the path i'm p***ing
<10> basis: `which sbcl`
<19> basis: it's in /usr/bin/ but slime is in /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp
<18> ok i was giving it the first one
<18> bah the docs ****
<19> basis: the full path in Debian is /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/slime/ and the inferior-lisp, just put sbcl
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