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<0> evening bastards!
<1> lol
<2> morning lukego
<0> what's hip and happening?
<3> not me
<4> debugging my continuations for CL. It seems to be particularly fast at ctak by not working :\
<5> fast but not working continuations?
<4> yup :)
<5> sounds interesting :-D
<6> Hey, I'll have those. It might be useful for my programs. The logic goes that adding a couple of non-working continuations cancels out my errors.
<5> and also cancels working code
<7> pkhuong pasted "ctak" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/23711
<4> well, it's fully transparent if you don't use continuations.
<4> ;)
<4> I'm completely z'ed out. Time to do some real work, I guess.
<5> it's 12:13 am... it's definitely time to zzz :)
<5> good night
<8> pkhuong: what's the arguments of your bind? shouldn't it be m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b?
<4> michaelw: i'm cutting corners ;)
<4> it's a macro, instead.
<4> but it looks like val -> (val -> val') -> val'
<4> i'm begining to think the problem isn't in the transformation, but in the continuation-support code.
<9> I'm getting an SB-EXT:PACKAGE-LOCKED-ERROR with sbcl & slime. The specific versions are slime 1.2.1; sbcl 0.9.15 and emacs 21.3. This is occurring on FreeBSD 6.1. How can I fix this?
<10> tmh: use slime 2.0.x
<10> tmh: 1.2.1 is so old, it is lisp 1.5 compatible
<9> Okay, thank you.
<9> Hmm, slime 2.0.x is not in the ports system. No problem installing it by hand, but I prefer ports.
<10> don't be a ports prisoner
<9> Heh
<9> Well, that was painless. I'm leaving to get slime running, maybe if I feel ambitious, I'll roll a new port for slime 2.0.
<11> Hey everyone. I have a question.
<10> Zemyla: fire away
<12> "You've got questions, we've got advertising slogans."
<11> I would like to make a portable system with Maxima, much like a graphing calculator that does computer algebra.
<12> So... install it on a laptop?
<13> thats a question?
<11> Since Maxima runs on Lisp, I would like to know if there are any small Lisp implementations for embedded hardware.
<13> ecl?
<13> maxima page says that clisp, cmucl and gcl is supported.
<4> clisp is pretty small and portable
<11> >_< Also, I'm going to have to put in a really small operating system, a motherboard, and a display for stuff like that. It's going to be a pain. ;_;
<4> it works on openzaurus, for example, iirc.
<11> But I still want to try it!
<4> gumstix + keypad + display...
<2> full alpha+symbols keypad, too
<13> when can we buy this contraption? :-)
<14> are there any russian speakers here?
<14> I would like to know what 45=56=8K5 ?5@52>48K means
<15> Zemyla: Hypothesis: you have two choices; either (a) shrinking a CL implementation to fit, or (b) porting maxima to a sufficiently small implementation
<15> if that's true, pick the one which sounds like more fun :)
<14> um, there are too many "i"s in that. "45=56=K5 ?5@52>4K" is what I meant
<12> Zemyla: Or (c) using stronger hardware. 128 megs of PC100 in an SODIMM is pretty cheap these days...
<2> Xophe: babel says "the money orders", FWIW
<13> Xophe: "the money orders"
<13> woops...
<11> Xophe: the money orders
<14> ok. So if that's on top of a shop in my local area, it's likely to be some kind of, what, money transfer thing?
<13> probably... eastern union. :)
<4> or (d) clisp or gcl are small enough.
<12> Seriously, these days hardware far more powerful than the Lisp Machines of yore are thrown out as scrap merely because they aren't able to keep up.
<13> nyef: ...or because they cannot run genera?
<6> urgh, (loop ...) seems pretty effective
<6> I have far from wrapped my head around that function yet
<12> jlouis: What function?
<13> he probably meant macro
<4> or functionality.
<6> macro, hehe
<6> I am not entirely accustomed to macros yet
<6> mind you, I am trying to learn lisp. I got my head wrapped quite well around SML, Ocaml, Haskell and Scheme, so it is not that impossible I'd say. First impression is that CL definitely has some cool things and I like it a lot.
<16> maxima :D
<13> jlouis: and in a while CL compared to other languages is like.... what other languages?
<6> xirie: what do you mean?
<13> jlouis: you'll forget that there are other languages, because you won't need them. ok, that may not be true in real life.
<17> You'll remember other languages, but you'll complain all the time that they "can't do foo, but cl can do foo"
<6> xirie: ah, now your former sentence computes
<16> CL is very much like a ... what's the word?
<16> a cluster **** :)
<12> jlouis: Macros are like recursion. You can study them all you like, but it takes a little extra something before you "get it".
<16> you can do anything you want with it.
<16> far too democratic.
<6> nyef: yeah, indeed. I get them though. The hard part now is to detect code where a macro is appropriate and apply it
<12> jlouis: That comes with practice.
<12> And studying other people's code that uses macros and asking yourself "why did they do it this way?"
<6> They are indeed mighty powerful. Which is the first impression of CL. What I missed in Scheme tends to be present in CL ;)
<16> pfft. if you ever finish RTFM ... :) and if you ever use everything in TFM. too many options i say. it takes a seasoned MASTER of lisp to use CL the way she was meant.
<6> is bjorkBSD running Zippy quotes?
<16> hahahaha
<12> I was figuring on trolling, not running Zippy quotes.
<16> not trolling.
<12> Just being obnoxious? Okay.
<16> nope. not being obnoxious either.
<12> Umm...
<16> it's a fact: mastering lisp takes dedication.
<16> it's not chewing gum
<13> mastering almost anything takes dedication.
<12> Mastering -anything- takes dedication.
<13> ..even chewing gum.
<13> ...the way it was meant to be chewed.
<12> This conversation got stupid awful quickly.
<16> hehehe
<16> nyef :)
<12> No. I'm not impressed.
<16> what i meant was that, it has a steep learning curve.
<16> VERY steep one. not to be underestimated by toothless newbies.
<16> hehehe :)
<16> anyway, i'm playing with maxima.
<18> The Lisp is a harsh mistress.
<13> tihi :)
<16> hahaha
<4> is ctak supposed to be so much faster than tak?
<4> (it works now, but still faster ;)
<12> pkhuong: Perhaps you should look at some existing boinkmark data?
<4> ah no, my fault. it jumped out of the benchmarking loop ;)
<4> ah yes, that makes more sense. 40x slowdown. OTOH, only 2x if one doesn't use continuations.
<19> I found after typing cat in Mac OSX, which said it is implemented in Lisp. i wonder which Lisp implementation is used to build such a small binary file.
<20> i'm home
<20> :D
<12> ... Whew. Getting araneida to provide a positive indication that it's running is slightly more complex than I expected.
<20> nyef !!!
<21> pebblestone: Where did you see that Mac OS X's cat is implemented in Lisp?
<22> hm, what's the easiest way to get a string with tokens delimited by spaces into a list?
<15> minion, tell hnaz_ about split-sequence
<23> hnaz_: direct your attention towards split-sequence: SPLIT-SEQUENCE (formerly known as PARTITION) is a member of the Common Lisp Utilities family of programs, designed by community consensus. http://www.cliki.net/split-sequence
<22> minion: i love you oh bot :)
<23> i'm not a bot. i prefer the term ``electronically composed''.
<22> thanks kpreid
<22> minion: :)
<23> please stop playing with me... i am not a toy
<19> Mynstral_: just typing cat RET.
<19> Mynstral_: usage: cat [OPTION] FILE...
<19> Concatenate FILE(s), or standard input, to standard output.
<19>
<19> -h, --help show this usage screen
<19>
<19> This command is implemented in Lisp. If an unrecognized option is
<19> p***ed to this command, the external version '/bin/cat'
<19> will be called instead.
<19> i see...
<17> what does 'file cat' say?
<12> ... Heh. That's pretty funny.
<19> i'm using eshell.... sorry
<6> it seems to be an internalized version
<6> to some shell, yes
<17> heh
<15> that cat is broken :-)
<6> internalized.... hmmmm, I am already hit by lispyness
<15> cat with no arguments should copy stdin to stdout
<6> meta-remark-about-obligatory-cat-synonym-joke
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