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<Yurik> nyef, hi
<nyef> Or about 800 megs.
<nyef> Hello Yurik.
<Yurik> http://verb.org.ua/2006/07/02/short-intro-on-xi/ if it will be interesting for somebody
<nyef> Cool, let me take a look.
<mc__> good night everyone
<nyef> Hrm... The first thing that I notice is that the first two sentances are missing a "The" and an "A" at the beginning...
<Yurik> I know, English used there is awful. But I hope that it is understandable ;) I should improve my English skills
<erider> how do you run lisp forms at the command prompt? is it clisp -q -x filename?
<nyef> erider: I use sbcl --eval '(whatever)'
<nyef> Or is that not what you meant?
<pjb> man clisp ; man sbcl
<Yurik> nyef, first two sentances counting from the very start?
<nyef> Yurik: From after "I hope this will help you."
<pjb> clisp -x '(pring "hi")'
<Yurik> "The XI database" and "A metaframe is a...", right ?
<nyef> Yes.
<Yurik> Thanks, I'll fix it now
<nyef> It reads like a brain-dump of someone in a hurry.
<erider> pjb, you can't do the same for forms stored in a file?
<nyef> erider: sbcl --load filename.lisp ?
<Yurik> it is a brain dump, actually
<rydis> cmihai: The unix "video TECO" I've used doesn't run EMACS, AFAIK.
<pjb> erider: you didn't read: man clisp ; why did I bother?
<pjb> clisp filename.lips
<pjb> clisp filename.lisp
<erider> I'm on a windows xp
<Yurik> I've tried to mark basic thesises
<rydis> Sorry, wrong channel.
<pjb> That's no reason. Install cygwin!
<erider> right now
<pjb> Or use putty and ssh to a unix box.
<nyef> Or just read the manual on the website.
<erider> ok
<pjb> erider: telnet://hackbox.coastfx.com ; is a free unix box.
<nyef> Does clisp have a --help command-line option? Did you -try- it?
<pjb> which has clisp installed.
<pjb> nyef: yes, indeed, clisp has also a --help option.
<erider> yes that where I got -q -x
<erider> pjb, no manual entry for clisp
<pjb> erider: -x expression. So you could write clisp -x '(load "file.lisp")' but you can also just write: clisp file.lisp
<pjb> Or: clisp -i file.lisp if you want to go on in the REPL.
<Yurik> heh
<nyef> Ever have the sudden realization that all of your page-table mappings are probably wrong?
<hefner> frequently.
<nyef> Okay, needs to be 5 (read-only) or 7 (read-write), not 3.
<hefner> I think my SBCL is haunted.
<hefner> I'm redefining functions, methods, etc, and I'm 99% certain that at least some of them are getting called, but I never see my debugging output.
<Maddas> Who ya gonna call?
<Maddas> (Aww, too late :-)
<Riastradh> Buffered output, hefner?
<hefner> nope, I've accounted for that.
<hefner> granted this is the same SBCL instance that throws random CLOS and "invalid number of argument errors"
<lichtblau> as for debugging output in CLIM, one thing that annoys me without end is that *standard-output* ends up in the application pane. I used to forget the *trace-output* in every second PRINT until I made a helper function for that.
<lichtblau> and if SBCL is haunted, that would explain a lot, too. For example why current SBCL+McCLIM isn't heapdumpable anymore when there aren't obviously tricky changes in either of them.
<lichtblau> (at least I ***ume there haven't been any changes to primitive object layout in the last month. If there were any, please correct me!)
<hefner> oh, haha. my *trace-output* in this background thread is some swank stream, and the output to it is falling off into the bit bucket
<defcon8> what language did the lisp machines' cpu's use?
<defcon8> lisp?
<nyef> defcon8: How do you mean?
<defcon8> like normal cpu's now use asm
<hefner> machine language, like most cpus. =p
<luis> minion: thwap for defcon8?
<minion> defcon8: have a look at thwap: THWAP! http://www.angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif and http://www.angryflower.com/itsits.gif (see also: http://www.unmutual.info/misc/sb_itsits.mp3 )
<nyef> The CPUs were typically microcoded, and the macrocode was an instruction set designed specifically for running Lisp.
<defcon8> lucca, it is acceptable to use apostrophes in the pluralisation of abbreviations
<defcon8> lucca, i read it somewhere
<cmm-> so it must be true!
<nyef> Since when was lucca involved in this conversation?
<luis> defcon8: That's not what the Apostrophe Protection Society says! :-)
<nyef> Hello dsteuber.
<dsteuber> Hi!
<luis> Long time no see dsteuber.
<dsteuber> How are you doing, nyef
<nyef> Okayish.
<defcon8> luis, i don't accept myself as being wrong; so there
<dsteuber> It's been a while since I've been here.
<nyef> Finally back to hacking on Lisp again...
<dsteuber> I've been away from Lisp for far too long.
<defcon8> i have a thing about the spaces between parens and arguments
<defcon8> i wish i could put commas in
<luis> defcon8: you can put commas, if it makes you happier
<defcon8> really?
<defcon8> and no spaces?
<luis> defcon8: whatever you want
<defcon8> great
<dsteuber> I'm trying to update SBCL from 0.9.11 but sourceforge is timing out. Am I doing something wrong.
<nyef> Damn, I'm going to have to get my CPU refs. I forget what goes on the stack for an interlevel return. :-/
<luis> dsteuber: you probably need to update the CVSROOT
<nyef> dsteuber: Umm... Your CVSROOT might need changing.
<luis> dsteuber: the hostnames changed
<dsteuber> Ah. I see.
<dsteuber> What do I need in CVSROOT?
<luis> It's sbcl.cvs.sourceforge.net now.
<luis> But you need to change that in all subdirectories. If you're lazy like I am, you'll just get a fresh repository.
<dsteuber> Thinking....
<nyef> If you're lazy like some other people are, you'll use a sed or perl script.
<luis> :-)
<dsteuber> I haven't even tried updating slime yet.
<michaelw> dsteuber: if you are running debian, there is cvschroot for that
<dsteuber> I'm running OS X and Debian on different machines.
<nyef> Whoops. Forgot ESP and SS on the stack frame...
<nyef> ... This isn't going to work. I'm up to needing five unsigned-regs.
<dsteuber> sudo apt-get cvsutils
<hefner> weird. I've just poked around, and it seems like the event compression in mcclim should still work, but reports from multiple people have implied that it does not.
<nyef> And I should reload DS, ES, and FS before returning... More fun...
<nyef> At least, I -think- I'm supposed to reload them...
<nyef> I'm now up to seven parameters...
<dsteuber> I did this wrong: $ cvschroot sbcl.cvs.sourceforge.net
<dsteuber> cvschroot: ERROR: New CVS Root not recognized
<Xach> dsteuber: a cvsroot looks like :foo:bar@baz:/qux/luis
<dsteuber> Thanks.
<Xach> :pserver:anonymous@sbcl.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/sbcl is the sbcl cvs root
<dsteuber> Thanks again.
<nyef> Oh, god. The ***embler doesn't know about segregs.
<dsteuber> Cool. 0.9.14 is now building.
<nyef> I guess the next step is to see about consing up some sort of thread structure...
<luis> darwinports is odd. I asked it to install FTGL, why is it installing so much crap? tetex? huh.
<nyef> Presumably to build the manual for one of the dependencies.
<luis> That makes sense.
<luis> yawn
<lucca> arg
<nyef> Only when truncated to two characters.
<lucca> this seems to happen every few days
<nyef> The usual trick is to truncate to three, but store the original length.
<luis> I happens a lot. Lazy bastards.
<luis> *It
<lucca> heh
<lucca> you'd think if they were to enable forced autocompletion it would pick the last speaking nick, rather than alphabetical
<luis> Artificial Intelligence you say? Tell me more!
<nyef> And specifically -not- autocomplete certain sequences that can go naturally at the beginning of sentances...
<luis> lucca: ERC does that, apparently.
<z0d> Does CASE work with strings as its keyform?
<Xach> no
<Xach> CASE uses eql
<z0d> Xach: thanks
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